PLD Negotiation (Vs WAR)

[Shinkyo]

it's making the class with the highest hp also have the same or near the same damage mitigation as the PLD.

Our higher HP pool isn't an advantage at all since War and Pld have the same eHP.
even with the buff we're still slightly short on eHP since Shield Oath = +25% ehp and +25% healing bonus. Defiance = +25 eHP and only +20% healing bonus.
Plus you have Blocks but that's fair for PLD to have a reasonable advantage in mitigation.

[Lemon8or]

Your points make no sense at all. Not like they need your approval in the first place. You clearly have no idea how to play warrior at end-game. How is changes on overpower related to Spirits Within???? You just run out of things to balk at. Warriors do not have more HP than PLD. They have same or less eHP that they have to make up with their skills to self-heal. So no, that wasn't part of their "mitigation" to begin with. 10% healing difference is pretty big to make up and then you guys have all the mitigation CD which is why Warriors are in a bad place currently. Also, vengeance, so you're not happy that we get 1 good CD while you have 4 (Rampart, Sentinel, Bulwark, Hallowed Ground) so you want our CD too?
If Bulwark is gonna be 20s 120sCD, I want it nerfed to 20% to be "on par with Thrill of Battle" (even though it's really not on par). Thrill of Battle is a good defensive CD but you have to communicate with your healer so they don't heal you over the maximum normal HP. Convincing your healer to not do that is sometimes not easy as they like to top your HP off and when they do, your mitigation is a moot point.
Inner Beast won't almost always be up. You don't need to do squat for Shield Oath while we have to manage combos and wrath stacks to even use it. How does Steel Cyclone changes related to Rage of Halone? It's not good enough that you have 1 combo with lemme see, 5x threat multipler AND reduce target's strength by 10% that you want even more potency? Your proposal is unreasonable at best.

[Techro]

Though you were polite stating that this would be a mock negotiation, I don't think you have played warrior. They didn't "buff" the warrior, they discovered that the game was being exploited by paladins in a way that they did not plan. So instead of creating an "apocalypse" in the forums, I.E nerfing the paladin. Instead they made the war do "close" to the same that the paladin can do as far as end game is concerned. This is not a time to be measuring tank penis' instead take a step back out of the box. Realize that things must be done to create a balance in the world that you pay 12.99/month for.

[SwordCoheir]

In return: I want Spirt within to have a faster animation time.

That's about the only thing PLD needs, but then again that's a fix that all jobs need especially WAR, since most of their weaponskills have horrendously long animations and can easily be interrupted if mobs are moving around.

Other than that I'd want reactionary buffs like Shield Swipe and Haymaker off the GCD, but that's not going to make or break anything for me.

[Exstal]

Now don't get me wrong, I wish SE would have went a different route with WAR and have us as a true "blood tank". Something along the lines of having Inner Beast, Butchers Block, and Storms Path have a much higher potency (or just ignore the damage reduction of Defiance) and a combo bonus of 300% of the damage creates a "blood shield" that surrounds us and absorbs incoming damage while healing us for 100% of the damage done. Then you wouldn't have to have all these traits of "increased emnity" floating around Obviously the numbers would have to be tweaked but that would be our "form" of mitigation while still having our gameplay totally different than PLD. So we could then be a proactive tank. I haven't seen an MMO yet that having a reactive tanking class worked out well.

Please stop trying to take Dark Knight's role.

[PArcher]

I'm going to echo the "The OP hasn't played WAR nearly enough" thing.

Seriously, take an ego hit and go level WAR to 50...then come back and say that WAR doesn't need some of these buffs. You get 15% boost to healing amount at 5 Wrath only and Defiance's 25% HP boost, PLD gets a flat 20% damage resistance with Shield Oath, no stack management required, as well as all the mitigation from blocking. I'll take the DR over an HP boost any day; its better in theory and in practice.

[Devils]

Please stop trying to take Dark Knight's role.

So how else would propose a blood tank?

[TaneshimaPopura]

New Vengeance to be cross-able... More imbalance checked...
Overpower to have more enmity... Buff which isn't really needed checked...
Storm Path recovery from damage over a period of ?s... Totally useless on small damage period, trash or as OT...
Thrill of Battle approval with attempt to ask for buff on Bulwark checked...
Approved Defiance which was a no brainer and asked for Shield Swipe leeway... no sure if serious box checked...
Steel Cyclone still useless even after buff and asking for RoH to be buffed to 300 potency... more greed box checked...
Unchained still being overshadowed by other Wrath using skills... asking for Blind AND Potency increase on a 250 potency off GCD skill... bad Paladin box checked...

Well here is what I will approve... to approve the disapproval by most posters and check the box where it says ... "Thank god this person doesn't have the last say or balances game" box...

[ZDamned]

I feel like paladins look at Warriors HP, and add an imaginary 0 to the end of it. We don't have enough HP to survive hits unless we far surpass the gear level required for it!

Twintania hit me for 7800 with Death Sentence on Sunday when our Paladin died, and I picked it up. I only have a measly 8150 HP in a Full party, so if my healers didn't keep me within 300 HP of my max, we were done for.

I can see us working the way we are if Defiance gave us 75% more HP, instead of 25%. But as it stands, We need to mitigate in order to survive.

[Leiron]

All these troll Paladins coming out of the woodwork.
Makes me ashamed.