melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[MartaDemireux]

And what exactly are they doing to make DPS Bard class more supportive? Lowering dps does not make you support. Bard has only 3 supportive skills and only 1 can be used at the same time, thats all.. What about giving us CNJ cross skills while lowering dps. 3 ballads, raise, stoneskin, heal.. yup, that seems pretty supportive to me. ))

As said before, ACN is superior for giving this DPS a more supporting role. Heal, in-battle-non-trait-dependent raise, and lower incoming damage to entire group via 2 methods (EfaE/virus) which can be rotated with the healers for a lot of uptime.

Bard's role is DPS but they are support focused DPS which people are getting hung up/confused on. They queue as DPS, they attack monsters but their charm and primary use comes in the form of their supporting songs which makes them indeed support. The only issue here is in XIV all support roles come in the form of augmented DPS roles.

[StrejdaTom]

As said before, ACN is superior for giving this DPS a more supporting role. Heal, in-battle-non-trait-dependent raise, and lower incoming damage to entire group via 2 methods (EfaE/virus) which can be rotated with the healers for a lot of uptime.

Bard's role is DPS but they are support focused DPS which people are getting hung up/confused on. They queue as DPS, they attack monsters but their charm and primary use comes in the form of their supporting songs which makes them indeed support. The only issue here is in XIV all support roles come in the form of augmented DPS roles.

In my opinion the main problem is, that good parties in coil do not need mana and even bards silence. So if they lower the dps and do not give bard something else he will be useless. I really like the idea of support brd but to fulfill that role he needs more support not 3 ballads which arent even needed in endgame. Thats why CNJ would be awesome.

[Viridiana]

I really like the idea of support brd but to fulfill that role he needs more support not 3 ballads which arent even needed in endgame. Thats why CNJ would be awesome.

But CNJ spells would be even more useless, with the possible exception of Stoneskin.

Cure - We don't have the stats to make this worthwhile. Nothing we can do with it that can't be better done by an actual healer, unless we're somehow saving a wipe.
Aero - Even less useful, as it would be strictly inferior to any of our native moves.
Protect - We literally can't use this if there's a WHM in the party who's used it.
Raise - Can't be used in combat, so any time it could be used in a dungeon it would probably be faster to release and run back.
Stoneskin - An awesome spell, though we'd be relegated to in-combat casting, which would only situationally be worth it.

[Allyrion]

But CNJ spells would be even more useless, with the possible exception of Stoneskin.

Cure - We don't have the stats to make this worthwhile. Nothing we can do with it that can't be better done by an actual healer, unless we're somehow saving a wipe.
Aero - Even less useful, as it would be strictly inferior to any of our native moves.
Protect - We literally can't use this if there's a WHM in the party who's used it.
Raise - Can't be used in combat, so any time it could be used in a dungeon it would probably be faster to release and run back.
Stoneskin - An awesome spell, though we'd be relegated to in-combat casting, which would only situationally be worth it.

"If" they did cross class Bard with CNJ, it really wouldn't be hard to imagine them adding a bard trait or something where their spells scaled off their dexterity.
That would still only make Cure, Aero and Stoneskin more useful but it's better than nothing.

Alternatively, BRD cross class skills don't need to be determined by what's available to other classes now. I think Medica would make more sense than Cure.
Medica, Aero and Stoneskin would be a decent package.

[Viridiana]

"If" they did cross class Bard with CNJ, it really wouldn't be hard to imagine them adding a bard trait or something where their spells scaled off their dexterity.
That would still only make Cure, Aero and Stoneskin more useful but it's better than nothing.

It wouldn't do anything for Stoneskin. It would boost Aero, but not enough to make it useful, except maybe as a filler GCD to regen TP. I'd rather have 150 potency at 41 Weapon Damage than 200 Potency at 35 Magic Damage. It would also boost Cure, but our low Magic Damage on our weapons would still make it much weaker than any cures an actual caster can throw out.

EDIT: Also, I just don't see them adding in a trait for a class that only affects cross-class skills just to make the cross-class skills one Job has available to it actually work.

[Phai]

As said before, ACN is superior for giving this DPS a more supporting role. Heal, in-battle-non-trait-dependent raise, and lower incoming damage to entire group via 2 methods (EfaE/virus) which can be rotated with the healers for a lot of uptime.

Bard's role is DPS but they are support focused DPS which people are getting hung up/confused on. They queue as DPS, they attack monsters but their charm and primary use comes in the form of their supporting songs which makes them indeed support. The only issue here is in XIV all support roles come in the form of augmented DPS roles.

Dont they need content to support the argument of support role, before making a support role?