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  1. #31
    Player
    Raikki's Avatar
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    Raikki Zero
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Noroi_Kisaragi View Post
    conal aoe attacks
    GRAVITY FIELD.
    pacman aoe
    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    frontal cone
    Ring AoE
    Ballista
    If melee are getting hit by cone your group is positioning things terribly wrong. Pacman Ballista Ballast can be disabled in favor of Firestream, which is even easier to dodge, and a lot of groups do that. Gravity Field is also disabled using the same route as disabling Ballast, in favor of Chain Lightning which only hits the tank and is very easy to manage. However, both of those things are still very easy to manage: Ballast is telegraphed, giving you tons of time to dodge it, and Gravity Field is no worse for melee than it is for ranged who have to reposition without getting too close to someone else and messing up rot. Lastly, dodging Repelling Cannons is a joke.
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  2. #32
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    WiseWolfHolo's Avatar
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    Holo Wisewolf
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    I disagree with Coil being too hard on melees, I feel it's way more enaging and fun as monk because you actually do have to watch for tons of stuff, I litteraly fall asleep when I play ranged in Coil.
    I wouldn't mind if they throw even more stuff at us.
    This, I start falling asleep playing a bard anymore, other thank T2 where I just have to look for repelling cannon to then silence high voltage I just tunnel vision right through. If it was up to me I would force someone else to play bard and let me dance around on monk, but with the stat and lack of extra class drops is making that a near impossibility.
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  3. #33
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    Ryios's Avatar
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    Ryios Locke
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 68
    ..Sounds like your group needs to adjust their strategies... Our drg does fine

    Turn 1: Is good to have a melee dps because they can pop the tail on purpose to help take dmg off the tank. They also have more health than brd's and blms and make better add spawners if the off tank can't get to the platform.

    Turn 2: Gravity Field... This is why you go right instead of left and get rid of gravity well and pacman. Only groups with no melee should go left, and then you don't have a single target LB.

    Turn 3: Easy

    Turn 4: Melee is nice to have to LB the knight in phase 6, and to break stone skin on Knights Fast as crap.

    Turn 5: Dunno yet, still working on turn 5.

    Now am I saying melee has no problem... No, They do have problems. But it's not as bad as you make it out. The biggest problem with melee is getting locking in animations and dieing from using their animations at the wrong time, like stuck in something during a jump. Or getting landslided during a Limit Break.
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  4. #34
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    yukikaze_yanagi's Avatar
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    Yuki Ynagi
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 90
    I play both mnk and smn, and i enjoy both styles. Still, i enjoy far more the thrill of the melee. I run mostly melee in all the content, bindin coil included (aside turn 2 because we are too used to that strategy now). Also, in turn 1 i'm at silence duty on ads with mnk
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  5. #35
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    SimplyEe's Avatar
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    Character
    Ee Omega
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    If melee are getting hit by cone your group is positioning things terribly wrong. Pacman Ballista Ballast can be disabled in favor of Firestream, which is even easier to dodge, and a lot of groups do that. Gravity Field is also disabled using the same route as disabling Ballast, in favor of Chain Lightning which only hits the tank and is very easy to manage. However, both of those things are still very easy to manage: Ballast is telegraphed.........
    From running coil every week I see why people KILL the left side

    Firestarter makes people gather up and it messes up the rot rotation a lot

    Usually by the 1-2 ballast we kill AIDS- I mean ADS. But still, for those who struggle more I think ballast is more safer

    OP is probably suffering from latency or sucks... u just dodge left and right the whole ADS fight...
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  6. #36
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    bayz's Avatar
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    Glowinz After
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Billzey View Post
    You've got to be kidding me. The only thing a melee DPS needs to do is dodge AoE. That's it.

    BRD has to silence, pass rot, and dodge attacks (piercing laser, gravity, etc.). It is incredibly ignorant than you think melee jobs are more difficult. Good luck ever playing BRD.
    Just to remind u we also need to keep our rotation to make sure our dps up while dodge, and pass rot is not the only one bard can do.every class can pass the rob.and oh yeah 2 pal and monk can do the job as well.get real dude.bard complain too much.lol
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  7. #37
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    Tribunus's Avatar
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    Tribunus Augustus
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Billzey View Post
    You've got to be kidding me. The only thing a melee DPS needs to do is dodge AoE. That's it.

    BRD has to silence, pass rot, and dodge attacks (piercing laser, gravity, etc.). It is incredibly ignorant than you think melee jobs are more difficult. Good luck ever playing BRD.
    I have to do all of that as melee, your point was? I think your being incredibly ignorant thinking BRD is harder than ANY class.
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  8. #38
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    ZaelC's Avatar
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    Zael Cresnah
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Billzey View Post
    You've got to be kidding me. The only thing a melee DPS needs to do is dodge AoE. That's it.

    BRD has to silence, pass rot, and dodge attacks (piercing laser, gravity, etc.). It is incredibly ignorant than you think melee jobs are more difficult. Good luck ever playing BRD.
    Its not ignorant, its stupid to say melees just have to dodge AoE. These blind bards that think they are doing some hard work...

    Looks like you are forgetting that melees need to attack too, and its not just a spam like you Sir. We need something called "position" that makes us hit harder from behind or flank, so we have to be always moving between dodging and positioning.

    So these would be...

    Melee: Dodge almost every AoE and position in the right place to make maximum damage.

    You: Dodge some aoe, spam skills, and of course you can still attack while dodging, we can't. Oh yeah and silence, use one skill in the right momment... thats all.

    Rot? There are rot rotations with melee, i've done it with my raid group many times, even with 2 melees. If your raid group is lazy to bring just range to pass rot don't blame melees for that.
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    Last edited by ZaelC; 12-01-2013 at 09:16 AM.

  9. #39
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    Axidrain's Avatar
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    Axidrain Fy
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ZaelC View Post
    Its not ignorant, its stupid to say melees just have to dodge AoE. These blind bards that think they are doing some hard work...

    Looks like you are forgetting that melees need to attack too, and its not just a spam like you Sir. We need something called "position" that makes us hit harder from behind or flank, so we have to be always moving between dodging and positioning.

    So these would be...

    Melee: Dodge almost every AoE and position in the right place to make maximum damage.

    You: Dodge some aoe, spam skills, and of course you can still attack while dodging, we can't. Oh yeah and silence, use one skill in the right momment... thats all.

    Rot? There are rot rotations with melee, i've done it with my raid group many times, even with 2 melees. If your raid group is lazy and bring just range to pass rot don't blame melees for that.
    id play other classes before saying that. have u ever played a bard in coil? every role has their responsibilities.
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  10. #40
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    axemtitanium's Avatar
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    Titania Basilikos
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    In exchange for having the "hardest job in coil", you get all the drops. QQ.
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