Warrior Full DPS Rotation?

[wlakiz]

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Ok first of all, anecdotes are not facts. If you hold aggro in sword oath against ads nodes, your dps is either holding back or they are terrible.

What is a fact is that warrior's bb combo surpasses paladin's. With Ir and berserk the snap aggro beats out paladin. This is a math fact.

I dunno why you would you would stay as a stun bitch during nails for ifirit. The mt can get that stun. You rely on an ideal Party to justify your usefulness as a Dps. For gaurda, I double steel cyclone.. That's 800-1000 damage to all plums and garuda without using a single drop of tp. You should really help people out of gaols in titan.. Oh wait, you lack actual dependable burst.. I guess thats why you prefer to stick on the boss.

If you're going to use circle of scron to be your 250 pot, then my fracture is 300 pot.

Warriors ot in defiance is entirely dependent on situation. It is a good setup if you need extra burst with inner beast or steel cyclone for heart nails or plums.

Burst has a better utility than static DPs increase... It gets you through mechanics and that is what gets the boss killed not a insubstantial static DPs.

[Gamemako]

If you hold aggro in sword oath against ads nodes, your dps is either holding back or they are terrible.

I can say, without doing any math, that you have overestimated the impact of Shield Oath. Shield Oath is a net 20% in enmity, while Sword Oath is a net 6.5% increase in enmity with Curtana.

I will do more complete math later.

[TaneshimaPopura]

@wlakiz

Just leave these forums I had enough of silly debates for one day and you swoop in to put another one it. Circle of Scorn is AoE Deals 250 Potency off GCD, your double Steel Cyclone only happens 1 every minute. Again by holding back Wrath for that moment you already lost DPS. And staying in defiance you already lost 33% DPS.

I can assure you my DPS do not hold back neither do I. Sure bloody hell using Berserk + IR will net you more threat than me off the bat if you don't crit during the Berserk duration your DPS increase is lower than Fight or Flight or if a Paladin critical hits during the Fight or Flight he beats the Paladin. Defiance reduces more damage than Shield Oath, even more so if you don't have maim up.

You only swap to nails in Ifrit if you do not have a SMN/BLM, why the hell you'd want to swap when a few pot shots after the meteor is enough to kill it? What you want to Pop Berserk and then what? use it for 3 seconds let 10 seconds expired due to Inferno transition and the probably get another 4 seconds in and then eat a 5 seconds Pacification? GET A CLUE I SAY!

Shield Oath -20% damage and +20% Enmity doesn't work in its favor at all. A 100 Dmg Attack with 1x Threat multiplier will deal only 100*.8*1.2 = 96 Threat. That is why people say it is broken! As it only works on Flash being that there is no inherit damage tied to it. Seriously Gaols.... You burst Pop him out you know what will happen? Yes that will happen he will come out right on a freaking Landslide! Cause most melee gather around it to DPS it down, bursting it down is sometimes a bad thing until the Landslide has passed.

Garuda Plumes giving you problem? AoE really? When the plumes spread out unless you can hit more than 3 targets with your AoE skill it is always not advisable to AoE but to single target them down. You are stressing on silly things that even most DF crowds are capable of accomplishing making a hill out of an ant mold.

Either you do not have a Paladin, never played it extensively to be sprouting such nonsense. Take the last guy who quote you and follow his advice. He has a Twintania clear same goes for me. We know our shit proper so get your shit together before you fling shit on forums where people need less shit.

マタク！A TirionCrey is enough now come this idiot.

[wlakiz]

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Not sure if you're just being ignorant or not, but you keep emphasizing your CoS is off gcd but you fail to mention its only 250 pot over 15s and it has a 25s cooldown -> thats 10pot/s. Any AOE from any class do would out dps that.

Yeah, I would sacrifice a bit of initial dps by OT in defiance so I can double Steel Cyclone to wipe out plums/ or double IB take out gaols/heart/nails faster. If extreme mode spread out the nails so BLM/Summoner LB can't hit them all, what are you going to do? Continue whacking the boss with your sword oathed auto-attack and hope the dps can handle it?

If you know how to play warriors, you would know that you can manually end Berserk to trigger pacification. So no, i won't eat another 5s pacification after inferno transition or any primal transitions. You should take your own advice and 'Get a clue'?

Your constant anecdotal claims that you can hold dps in sword oath against dps 'going all out' isn't evidence of anything. Are you willing to show parses or even make the claim that no one can out aggro you while you're in sword oath with your curtana+0?

Give it a break, just because you managed to kill Twinania doesn't make you an expert in your class or other people's class. Example? http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=179/#Enmity shows Shield Oath and Defiance to have 2x enmity. Are you willing to refute his testing with your logic?

[Gamemako]

Give it a break, just because you managed to kill Twinania doesn't make you an expert in your class or other people's class. Example? http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=179/#Enmity shows Shield Oath and Defiance to have 2x enmity. Are you willing to refute his testing with your logic?

The most rudimentary of tests will show that the 2x modifier was changed from phase 3 to phase 4. It currently appears to be 1.5x. To which...

Shield Oath -20% damage and +20% Enmity doesn't work in its favor at all.

That's +20% over non-Shield-Oath. Multiply it out, and you have 1.5*0.8=1.2. Note that Flash is affected fully by the bonus because it is not damage-based and is not reduced by the damage penalty.

[TaneshimaPopura]

Why even bring Extreme mode in when you cannot reliably know what is going to happen there? Spirit Within and Circle of Scorn is strong because they get free Potency without triggering a GCD and if used on CD it will have an impact towards your DPS.

IF the MT was holding threat using Shield Oath and I'm chasing up threat via Sword Oath, wouldn't it be logically natural that I can do what he does? Ending Berserk early actually hurts your DPS more than anything, hence why it is only used when you can benefit from the 1 Wrath it generates and use its duration to the fullest. Berserking just for certain burst phases is irrelevant if your DPS can handle it and you are better served with using Berserk on CD unless you know you won't have uptime coming soon.

[Jahaudant]

ITT people still think Shield Oath is better for threat.

Also here is my 30 VIT PLD in DPS mode on a full TP drain, taking 155 seconds.



If we break it down by enmity generated per skill like so:

Attack: 7212 damage * 1 = 7212 enmity
Attack [+]: 4680 * 1 = 4680
Rage of Halone: 7064 * 5 = 35,329
Savage Blade: 5052 * 2 = 15,156
Fast Blade: 3950 * 1 = 3950
Spirit's Within: 2197 * 1 = 2197
Fracture (hit + DOT): 972 + 871 * 1 = 1843
Circle of Scorn: 764 * 1 = 764

Total = 71131 damage worth of enmity

Enmity per second: 71131 / 155 = 458.

As you can see, the BRD/MNK/DRG in the party would need to be pulling 458 DPS to come close to pulling the mob away from me. This is simply not possible. Ever.

(EPS would be even higher if I had ignored Fracture)

Under Shield oath the total enmity generated will be roughly 5% lower than this example.

[Exstal]

ITT: People thinking Shield Oath is for threat

[symba]

Why do people honestly need to fight over which tank does more damage? They're very similar in dps especially when factoring in that a sword oathed paladin will eventually pull threat off of a main tank. And holy fuck Taneshima, I get it, you've cleared turn 5 get over it and stop using that as a basis for every fucking argument you make.

edit: 2 parses on level 1 dummies, difference is i80 axe and i90 sword/shield, rest of the gear is same both with 30vit. PLD dps may be skewed a tiny bit by me screenshotting late while dots still on target, 5-6 seconds or so. DPSed til bottomed out on tp.
http://imgur.com/MRqOitj,mdRKzIR#0

[Ipkonfig]

Having both tanks I've actually run a slew of parses on the dummies with both, both wearing identical gear with non +1 relics, WAR averaged 30 more DPS than PLD (WAR with no Defiance and PLD in Sword Oath). Not a large margin but a decent boost, and the fact that WAR brings Storm's Eye which buffs the other tanks threat/DPS as well adds a bit more.