Anyone see this yet? 2 WAR Coil T5

[TirionCrey]

You don't use Hallowed Ground until the end of the fight.

So are you one of those PLDs who doesn't use his CDs with a longer CD cause he "might" need them at a point in the fight where they would be ready again anyway? 7min CD in a 12-13min fight gives you easy access to use it twice...even though you don't need it...not using it cause you don't have to is just a waste, when it's ready again anyway when you do need it...

[Exstal]

You only need Hallowed before last phase if you don't jump into conflag and both healers are inside conflag..

[TaneshimaPopura]

@ Silly TirionCrey

If you needed that Hallowed Ground just bloody jump into the Conflagration =_=... Seriously are people trying to comment stuff on things they haven't attempt or reliably clear?! I'm getting sillies everywhere!

[Zenaku]

Yoshida did specifically say that WARs were tanking at the level they were supposed to be and that PLDs ended up being too strong. Rather than nerf PLDs (cause no one likes nerfs) they opted to bring WARs up to PLDs level.

As far as coil being 'balanced' around anything from day one it felt like they hardly tested the place and it was all just 'i think this looks to be fine'.

The issue was not that PLD was stronger it was the fact that PLD can outlive a PLD in turn 1/4 with the mobs with more then 3 stacks on them. While a War tank would need there party to keep feeding the snake the slime and in turn 4 don't let the mob eat the bugs. Yoshi-p did not see people doing this and that why PLD is better. It's for people who does not want to worry about slime or bugs.

He said this in one of his post a while back. this is why WAR getting buff so you could do it the same way as pld. Pretty much what people been doing for the pass months is bypass mechanics of fights like slime and killing bugs. I guess who every test the fight in SE never thought of doing it our way.

I believe this is why we need test servers so players base can test battles before hand and they can fix issue we can find.

[TaneshimaPopura]

@Zenaku

SE won't do Test Servers just as much as GW2 don't provide them. Because in allowing test servers. Content gets consumed at a way faster rate once it hits live. Hardcore raiders will device the strategies and keep it to themselves and use it on live. Once they clear it and the strategy is legit others will follow in and clear even faster causing content to be consumed even faster. Instead of crying for 2.1 in November you would have cried for 2.1 since August.

With that said, it is the producers duty to at least reveal these class balances in advance cause Theorycrafters are very capable of foreseeing the disparities. Just as much as the current revealing of Warrior changes many have already come out on theory as to why Warrior will be more capable but not potent enough to replace Paladin's spot totally come 2.1

[Zenaku]

Yoshi-p have said they would be a test servers at some point in the game. I'm guessing once they have a stable servers without much issue that or they just not doing it anytime soon.

Or could be for the same reason you said who knows maybe we can get a dev team to reply one day to see if that still something there looking into.

[Vactus]

Yoshi-p have said they would be a test servers at some point in the game. I'm guessing once they have a stable servers without much issue that or they just not doing it anytime soon.

Or could be for the same reason you said who knows maybe we can get a dev team to reply one day to see if that still something there looking into.

Non-sarcasm question: Where/when did he say this about test servers?

[Leiron]

So are you one of those PLDs who doesn't use his CDs with a longer CD cause he "might" need them at a point in the fight where they would be ready again anyway? 7min CD in a 12-13min fight gives you easy access to use it twice...even though you don't need it...not using it cause you don't have to is just a waste, when it's ready again anyway when you do need it...

You dont use cooldowns unless they are necessary as a tank.
You don't just pop them because they are off cooldown, that is a waste.

[TirionCrey]

You dont use cooldowns unless they are necessary as a tank.
You don't just pop them because they are off cooldown, that is a waste.

Yeah, you don't just pop them because they are ready...that would be a waste...but it is also a waste to not use them just cause you need them at a certain point when they would be ready again by that time anyway. That is what seperates the min/max performance PLD from the average tank. A good tank knows when his CDs have to be available for him and how long it is gonna be til that point to realiably know if it's safe to use them just for the sake of using them and mitigate some extra damage even though it's not neccesarry. There is no reason to hold on to a 2-3min CD for 5 min just cause you know you need it in 5 minutes. You might as well use them in the first 2minutes, cause you know they are ready again come 5 minutes...

@ Silly Taneshima: Please...just stop talking to me, if you want to bring up the reliably kill Twintania on every topic not related to it from now on. You having beaten Twintania doesn't make you the better PLD by default(and in regards to your comment about 9 years of HM raiding in other MMORPGs as well...I've been in a World top 20 guild in WoW and in the world 2nd LS in FFXI for years...)...there are probably a lot of PLDs out there who haven't even entered Coil who are better than you from a skill perspective...cause based on your comments I can assure you, there are still a few things I could teach you for sure. People here apparently don't even know about the HG Limit Bar trick...so why even bother talking with "wanna be PLDs" who definetely don't play PLD to it's full potential.

[Zenaku]

Non-sarcasm question: Where/when did he say this about test servers?

It was around the time that FFXI was setting up there test servers. So don't really have a link to give you sorry i just thinking that they may still be looking into it or maybe they wont do it.