Concerns about the PvP and why it might not succeed, though I want it to very much!

[Nihility]

it seems some people don't know just how bad the harassment can get over pvp. It's not just the things people say during the match
It's the people that will follow you around and repeatedly make alts on your server just to keep whispering that you should kill yourself for days on end. There are a lot of people that are just plain cruel evil creatures and in this case S-E is aware of this and trying to stop it before it starts even if "fresh meat" is a questionable mask


Just one of the many stories i remember leading up to a reasoning like this was a guy from WoW and one of his friends bought an account on alliance side so they could pick out a random person that just made it out of protected areas, like just entering duskwood was their example, then they would use their alliance account to monitor his activity and location and just repeatedly gank him 24/7 with the explicit goal of making him so frustrated and upset that he would quit the game forever.
Once they got banned for this they made forum posts to the tune of "what did we do wrong we're just having fun?" as though what they were doing was totally normal behavior

Or people that spend days or weeks tormenting someone trying to elicit a response like "i'll kill you!" so they can report it to the police and get the person arrested irl

There are just really sick people out there and just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean there aren't others vulnerable to attacks like that and need to be protected.

I can't even imagine the mindset of people that will dedicate weeks of their own life to the goal of ruining the life of someone they don't even know. People like that belong in a sanitarium yet for some reason it seems like more and more keep appearing as time goes on


that being said, "fresh meat" is a pretty odd choice when something as simple as "Paladin" "Warrior" "Summoner" would have worked just as well and they still have the individuality of their character looks and gear and everything just a name mask so the sickos can't get to them as easily.
and honestly I don't expect arena to amount to much more than a testing ground towards trying to make future pvp events more enjoyable

[Astarica]

I find it puzzling that there are people who seem to actually support the choice of "Fresh Meat" for the anonymized names over, well, just about anything else

[XainTheGreat]

Fresh Meat reminds me of The Butcher in Diablo 1 when you find his room, you open the door, and he comes bustin out the door fuckin fast as all hell and yells FRESH MEAT, and just starts hackin your face and you die....then you just pause for a minute and your like....WTF. this is the beginning of the dam game and it seriously just threw a boss at me that strong that i need to lvl up A LOT more to kill it?

[Kaizer]

Did they say whether it would be possible to speak/say during the PvP? You could just as easily come out and say, "This is So and So from the server Blah. Come at me bro." There's your choice and preference right there of being anonymous or not.

[Durthane]

Stuff

I enjoy PVP myself, never got into it in FFXI though. But your defense of antisocial behavior as if it's what makes or breaks PVP is kinda silly don't ya think? Yes a losing team might be mad if they lose, but not at the other team for out playing them. The winners should feel ecstatic, because they have proven their excellence at their chosen hobby. Not because they have shamed another group. I understand the feeling of superiority and dominance are natural but as rational adults we are supposed to at the very least keep them to ourselves.

As to "Fresh meat" the name alone is silly and the drawbacks outweigh the benefits. It takes out any sense of community from PVP. Though, hardcore PVPers really have brought this on themselves, SE wants as many people as possible to enjoy their game and they aren't likely to allow them to alienate a much larger number of paying customers just so they can get their egos boosted by harming others self worth.

Personally, a little trash talk doesn't bother me. The ones engaging in it only diminish themselves. But, not everyone is thick skinned and they pay to play this game the same as anyone. It would be best if they where able to choose to hide their name rather than force it upon everyone, but then there would be the likes of you telling them they aren't "real" pvpers because they don't want to engage in pointless insult slinging.

I will be seeing you in the Wolves Den, though I guess you'll never know it. ^^

[XainTheGreat]

Did they say whether it would be possible to speak/say during the PvP? You could just as easily come out and say, "This is So and So from the server Blah. Come at me bro." There's your choice and preference right there of being anonymous or not.

dude we cant even send tells to our friends ina dungeon. Wht makes you think they are gonna let us talk to the other team? you smoke crack too much

[Alhanelem]

The fact that you can even use sleep in the first place Is A Fail In My Book.

Every PvP MMO and MOBA and competitive game has crowd control. Part of the strategy is knowing when to use CC, when to break out of it, and anticipating its use by the enemy.

It's not "fail." It's strategy, and it's counterable. BLM would be pretty weak with no crowd control, and yet it would be OP if there was no emergency mitigation. You obviously don't have experience with competitive games or MMO PvP. Sleep and other crowd control isn't a "cheap tactic."

Anyway... the issue people are having with the current situation is that SE is preemptively trying to prevent something that's not guaranteed to be an issue, and letting a likely few dampen the experience for the majority.

[XainTheGreat]

you guys got it all backwards. People who lose dont attack other players that beat them. Its assholes in Mor Dhona who are gonna point fingers at so and so because they suck at PvP. You see the same thing when someones attacking someone in chat because they cant down Titan HM, instead now you will just have players attacking other players in chat who suck at PvP, and it just causes major chat drama, and animosity that may effect a person getting invited to even something as simple as a dungeon run. "Hey man should we invite him?" "No dude thats the faggot who sucks at PvP" thats how it works in real MMO pvp. IDK wtf retarded pvp you were doing that the losing team would be attacking players in chat cuz that doesnt really make sense, cuz...well....they lost so what do they have to prove?

[Omagana]

"Fresh meat" is utter nonesense...

[Axidrain]

i still think we should have a choice of whether or not we want to remain anonymous. not really all that hard to implement i believe.