melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[Charas]

I believe the problem is most people only look at BRD's numbers on paper and tend to forget the overall battle effectiveness and utility that comes with the job.

The fact that you're a ranged DPS job by nature already places you in a different category than melee DPS (BLM / SMN / BRD)

You don't have to worry about any melee range attacks or AoE's that they do by default, you have no positional based combo system to get the most effect out of your actions.
Add on to this fact that you are not only ranged but are the only one in that category that has no movement penalty for doing damage (BRD)

Both BLM and SMN have casting times that will cancel when they move, they are unable to DD and dodge at the same time.

On top of this you have immense party presence and utility (Songs)

You can affect the parties TP, MP regen, and the resistance of mobs at will in addition to performing your other roles (yes it comes with a debuff to your damage as a cost however), This isnt even counting offesive merit like DoTs, RoD, and the ability to set Mantra

This is quite a lot packed into one job when you compare the capabilities of other DPS job's in comparison, it isn't that BRD was magically doing too much damage it's that based on the amount of things a BRD can do and the risk / reward was not balanced correctly versus the other jobs.

And they aren't touching so much touching your damage output per se, just your cross class abilities which in fact we still don't have the full details for.

If only there was less jealous ppl like u around, bard wouldn t get nerfed, melee would still be boosted, everyone would be happy.
If you really think bard have so many advantages, why don t u play one?
And don t come and say bard is no real job, i also have a monk, and playing monk is way easier than playing a bard (unless u have to interrupt, then it becomes annoying, to many waiting down time). As a Lancer, monk.... melee all u have to do is mostly keep ur dot on spam 4 buttons, go from flank to back to maximize ur dps output. SMN and BLM are ranged, got nothing to worry about but to dps.... But when u are a bard! u got to take care of ppl MP, TP, keep foe requiem up when big dmg is needed, all that managing ur own mp and taking care of silencing if needed. You still need to dodge or to play with DG mechanics (let s take coil turn 2... melee job are out of the rot order... they only spank and run out of repelling canons).
When i play Bard I like my job, if i play on my monk, I like it too... but why the frack ppl on this forum won't stop complaining about stuff just out of pure jealousy?

[MirariMirai]

If only there was less jealous ppl like u around, bard wouldn t get nerfed, melee would still be boosted, everyone would be happy.
If you really think bard have so many advantages, why don t u play one?

When i play Bard I like my job, if i play on my monk, I like it too... but why the frack ppl on this forum won't stop complaining about stuff just out of pure jealousy?

so true lolx.... oh well happens almost every mmo.... devs eventually succumb to their whinings .... how modern mmo works nowadays..... explains the quality of players these days too

[bayz]

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And who said that we\\'re the top when it comes to DPS? Parsers? You don\\'t know how pathetic BRDs DPS in end game contents.

Free DPS while moving? Seriously? Is that even an arguement? Bitch please, Melee class\\' DPS is way above even if BRDs can DPS while moving.

I maybe never play bard.but i saw my friend playing bard and know what they capable of.and i think everyone know what they can do.and thats why they get nerf!!!

Dude.if bard so bad as you say.will they get pick more than melee?look at coil plz.i didnt say bard is on top dps.they do more dps than melee simple becoz they dont need to constanly avoid aoe like melee does.and if u are so pro like u trying to say here.melee dps depend on position.and of course we wont reach our max dps if we have to avoid aoe.
so yeah, even amatuer like me know what happen here.so good luck with ur bard nerf!

[Leon_Stormrage]

I maybe never play bard.but i saw my friend playing bard and know what they capable of.and i think everyone know what they can do.and thats why they get nerf!!!

Dude.if bard so bad as you say.will they get pick more than melee?look at coil plz.i didnt say bard is on top dps.they do more dps than melee simple becoz they dont need to constanly avoid aoe like melee does.and if u are so pro like u trying to say here.melee dps depend on position.and of course we wont reach our max dps if we have to avoid aoe.
so yeah, even amatuer like me know what happen here.so good luck with ur bard nerf!

My dragoon friend always parse between 260-280...
Sure you will be asking HOW???
It's easy: he know how to play.

[OPneedNerfs]

I maybe never play bard.but i saw my friend playing bard and know what they capable of.and i think everyone know what they can do.and thats why they get nerf!!!

Dude.if bard so bad as you say.will they get pick more than melee?look at coil plz.i didnt say bard is on top dps.they do more dps than melee simple becoz they dont need to constanly avoid aoe like melee does.and if u are so pro like u trying to say here.melee dps depend on position.and of course we wont reach our max dps if we have to avoid aoe.
so yeah, even amatuer like me know what happen here.so good luck with ur bard nerf!

Groups dont pick melees because they get hit standing in aoes easier and more often. Why make things harder for your healers. Sure, you get the occasional good melee dps who dodges stuff at a 99.9% rate but I'm pretty sure they are a very VERY small minority. Thus, its a playerbase issue and not a class issue.

[viion]

imo, if bard's advantage on boss's mechanic is they can attack while moving (which results higher DPS as someone claimed)
and they wanted it nerfed, then just do at that point.

Let reduce atk power oraccuracy while attack move in both skill and auto-attack
(It is logical as they lost body balance due to movement).

You'd think that would make the most sense, while moving your accuracy should be reduced, pretty realistic lol, being still and "aimining" results in normal good accuracy. That solves the main issue brd has. And bard by FAR does not come out top in stand still DPS against a Monk or Blm in anyway shape or form, so reducing its dps even more makes its pretty crap.

[Atreides]

Dude.if bard so bad as you say.will they get pick more than melee?look at coil plz.i didnt say bard is on top dps.they do more dps than melee simple becoz they dont need to constanly avoid aoe like melee does.and if u are so pro like u trying to say here.melee dps depend on position.and of course we wont reach our max dps if we have to avoid aoe.
so yeah, even amatuer like me know what happen here.so good luck with ur bard nerf!

Thats not true at all, even at it's current state bard actually has the worst DPS, when they mentioned the melee buffs I was laughing so hard because I couldn't believe it.
A Bard can not even hope to top a Monk unless said Monk is really bad and that's where the problem lies.

How do you define a bad player? (just to name a few)
1. He takes way too much damage.
2. He does low DPS because he either doesn't know his stuff,keeps dying or stays away from the target because he keeps taking damage(1.) and doesn't take risks.
3. He doesn't take any cristism in his playstyle even when it's obvious that he's holding back the group.

Now we're getting closer to where the actual problem lies.
Melees are less forgiving!
We have to go balls deep and have to know the mechanics even more to avoid them while not losing out on damage, which is possible in pretty much every encounter so far.

Most groups don't want to take risks, there are just way too many bad players out there and they want to play it safe.
They'd rather have a bad bard that still performs decent at best than a bad melee that becomes total deadweight because of the less forgiving mechanics.

I do not support the Bard nerf at all and I don't think the nerf will be too severe, I also think the melee buffs are over the top but I take what I get.

[Songkla]

You still need to dodge or to play with DG mechanics (let s take coil turn 2... melee job are out of the rot order... they only spank and run out of repelling canons).
When i play Bard I like my job, if i play on my monk, I like it too... but why the frack ppl on this forum won't stop complaining about stuff just out of pure jealousy?

Since you mentioned the DG mechanics, please tally up all the red shit that brds have to run out of in all the dungeons. You could probably count all the times with one hand.
Taken out of rot order? Oh wow, that makes brd sooo damn much harder to play! All the other jobs except for melee and tanks have to deal with that too.
I said this before, there's no problem with brd dps. It is that they have too much utility. Take away their silence, give their "songs" to another job, then you won't see any brds in coil.

[Charas]

Since you mentioned the DG mechanics, please tally up all the red shit that brds have to run out of in all the dungeons. You could probably count all the times with one hand.
Taken out of rot order? Oh wow, that makes brd sooo damn much harder to play! All the other jobs except for melee and tanks have to deal with that too.
I said this before, there's no problem with brd dps. It is that they have too much utility. Take away their silence, give their "songs" to another job, then you won't see any brds in coil.

You clearly don t know how it is be a Bard on silence duty, having to pass rot, dodge slow crap, avoid lazer, hit ur silence when needed and still make it in time to pass the rot to the next in turn before 0. Dude, honestly, melee dps arent harder to play than a Bard, u have less things to think about, you just repeat ur combo casually like any other job, and the only 2 true things that are expected from u is 1) dodge those atacks 2) stay alive at least until u can use ur limit break.

You probably do believe u are very clever, while u sound like a very angry bird, but let s say we take out our silence, and give our songs to another job. Then what? bards will never have to to be on silence duty, or to reduce their dps by 20% to help their team mates. Another job would have to take those silences.... 2 good PLD? sure sure, it does mean that never a warrior would be in a coil party tho.... or maybe a monk? yeee killing their DPS by 50% just so they can stay in the correct stance for it does seem like a WONDERFULL trade. And then.... Songs! who u wanna give them to? can t give it to casters as 1 is made to boost their dmg already, so let s give it again to monk or dragoon!!!!! Here we have a cool idea, let s give songs that have 3 sec cast time and -20% dmg to a class that usually cant dodge things and spend their time whining coz they supposedly dont deal enougth dmg.

[Phai]

I said this before, there's no problem with brd dps. It is that they have too much utility. Take away their silence, give their "songs" to another job, then you won't see any brds in coil.

I wont argue whit u at anytime that melee dps is unforgiving at times and can be rough, i would loose that argument and spit dust for days.
Anyway, there might be a reason the amount of utility is given to a ranged class, hence the songs, and the silence thats out of gcd. Its a matter of diffrent playstyle and diffrent task's during the encounter.
Ur statment about giving utility's brd has to other classes and make them worthless on the other hand is, well Call it what u want. Taking away ur mainhand and Place a wooden spoon in it would do same to ur class. Ranged dps or melee dps is just diffrent playstyle and there should be room for both.
Lets do as u said, remove brd from the Picture and see what will change for ur class.. sadly not much :/