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    [Petition] We want Red Mage!

    We do want Red Mage because Red Mage is awesome! Make it cool too this time, more then just refresh!

    Like if you support this!

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShroudMercs View Post
    Well, some of us may not know what a red mage does. So maybe you should explain the role. Thus broadening the appeal.
    So true! Not everyone is a Final Fantasy online Veteran!

    Refference: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Red_Mage
    Ah red mage usally conbimes a certain combo of red magic and black magic it's own way. It also have some unique spells of its own that is White or Black but only used by the red mage. Usally it is your debuffer / support class that may also melee up to front with a melee weapon! Such as a sword or rapier. Basically it is the most appealing form of Magic and Melee put together!
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    Duelle Urelle
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    My sig. Read it. Blah blah blah.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Well, some of us may not know what a red mage does. So maybe you should explain the role. Thus broadening the appeal.
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    Flig Neldajoa
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    If they made it play like an enh shaman from wow I'd be all over it. You know, a quick melee type that shoots out quick spells off maelstrom procs that aren't super powerful but add up. I don't see why that would be a bad design seeing as they use rapiers and aren't known for giant nukes.
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    Eden Phantomhive
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Yes, SE! Make this happen. I'e be all over this class like no tomorrow. I love red mage and it would be awesome if this was one of the next set of jobs we get.
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    I miss RDM so much!!!! /signed please bring this to us!
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    Last edited by KrazyKupo; 11-27-2013 at 08:47 AM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genesiser View Post
    If they made it play like an enh shaman from wow I'd be all over it. You know, a quick melee type that shoots out quick spells off maelstrom procs that aren't super powerful but add up. I don't see why that would be a bad design seeing as they use rapiers and aren't known for giant nukes.
    I'd base it on the 3.0 ret paladin. Enhance has always had a history of RNG reliance. That and the fact you needed to run combat simulations to figure out if a piece of gear was an upgrade or not was always a major turn-off for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShroudMercs View Post
    Well, some of us may not know what a red mage does. So maybe you should explain the role. Thus broadening the appeal.
    Here's where the divide rears its head.

    The FFXI RDM community was split between people who loved quick party invites and didn't care about the job being a hybrid yet being funneled into one role. Others were upset that they were sold a hybrid magic swordsman but ended up being cycle mage and even at one point ousting white mages as healers (AKA "the hybrid bait and switch").

    Seeing the limitations of the armoury system, a 33/33/33 melee/white magic/black magic Red Mage like in FF1 would NOT work. You'd still need to tie the job to a class, and seeing how SE has gone out of its way to differentiate RDM from other sword-users by aligning them to rapiers, it would make sense to give them their own base class and go from there. As far as role, modern MMOs push hybrids into one of the three trinity roles, and given that RDMs aren't the hardiest of individuals I'd push them to melee DPS with utility spells. RDM doesn't fit as a tank and it certainly doesn't fit as a healer.
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    Last edited by Duelle; 11-27-2013 at 09:07 AM.
    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Rhyou Jylland
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I wanna be able to use Refresh and Haste again. Wait... that'll mean I'll be a Cycle Mage again. =(

    Oh well! Gimme that Temper, too, while you're at it!
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    Zalera
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    I think the reason we likely won't get RDM is that he has no definable role. He's not strictly DD. He's not strictly a healer. What would he queue as in DF?
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    Temujin Borjigin
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    Bard Lv 80
    not sure what job will be kinda like archer/bard, but my guess is musketeer --> rdm/corsair

    Quote Originally Posted by Naberrie View Post
    I think the reason we likely won't get RDM is that he has no definable role. He's not strictly DD. He's not strictly a healer. What would he queue as in DF?
    it would be a DD, like the bard is, the bard wasnt a DD is 11, but is now, so they have shown they can change it up.
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    Last edited by Wavytiger; 11-27-2013 at 09:50 AM.

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