Allagan Gear getting buffed to ilvl95.

[Duuude007]

How about you base your reasoning on current statements.

Blah, current or old, they are still relevant, and apart from one unfortunate detail omission (which they can easily clarify), they are not contradictory.

Yoshida did in fact mention this upgrade to item level 95 was to be for Allagan weapons only due to the difficulty of turn 5, whereas the text on the Japanese and English Q&A post indicated equipment in general.

Notes: Due to the challenge/difficulty, and contrasted weapons with 'general equipment', aka armor and accessories. R+1 Weapons inconveniently omitted from discussion, hence this debate.

That said...

Especially because we ask players to go through such a huge challenge to get the weapons, so we don't want to introduce something new and make your efforts go away. We will definitely have an update, it really is a special item.

Sound familiar? Highest tier for relics is meant to be at the top, and, like it has in the past, can share the pedestal with the highest dungeon weapons.

More food for thought:

Both primal weapons and relics will have their own place in this hierarchy, and primal weapons are not at the top.

We hope you'll enjoy the changes we've made in your quest to acquire the ultimate weapon.

[Babydoll]

Blah, current or old, they are still relevant, and apart from one unfortunate detail omission (which they can easily clarify), they are not contradictory.



Notes: Due to the challenge/difficulty, and contrasted weapons with 'general equipment', aka armor and accessories. R+1 Weapons inconveniently omitted from discussion, hence this debate.That said...



Sound familiar? Highest tier for relics is meant to be at the top, and, like it has in the past, can share the pedestal with the highest dungeon weapons.

More food for thought:

Nice post! I remember in 1.0 interviews Yoshida said that we'd eventually upgrade relics into Legendary weapons.

I found the interview...I'm not exactly sure what they mean (Can never be too sure with SE lol) but it seems like they plan to have us upgrade the relics in patches. I imagine the final form will be very difficult to get

Chuki : In the PDF, you said that Excalibur is a legendary weapon but that its appearance may change. What did you mean?
Naoki Yoshida : The reason behind the whole idea, I think Final Fantasy XI had the same problem, but because it’s a MMO, it’s difficult to bring these legendary, traditional weapons as additional items, for example, the Genji set, or Excalibur, Ragnarok… that kind of very important items which you saw in previous Final Fantasies. When you bring it to a MMO, the power level will always increase, for example, if I do bring the whole Genji set in the next raid, as a reward you can get in the raid, in a one year time, there’s going to be a stronger raid, and you’re going to need stronger items. And the people will be saying “the Genji set in Final Fantasy XIV is just a really weak rip-off!”. We don’t want to give that different impression while it’s supposed to be a legendary item, we don’t want to make it weak in MMO just because it’s a MMO. That’s why I decided to make this new system for Final Fantasy XIV.
Instead, of course, we can’t just keep Genji set off the game until it is old enough, because that’s not the whole point. We are going to divide Final Fantasy XIV in seasons, that might be one year or two years, we carefully see how the game balance is moving forward. But within these seasons, I want to make the players able to apply for these legendary items, in order to register for your own special item. For example, for the Grand Company, if you have a sword with like, level 30 strength and level 40 piety, and you have a weapon that matches that, then you can apply for the Excalibur. And in the case you have it, you will have special graphics for your new Excalibur.
But then, for example, in another year time, when the whole game is going to be even more difficult and complicated, we’ll be changing the rules of what can be called Excalibur. Then, you have to apply again to have the new graphics for this new Excalibur, there’s always going to be different types of Excaliburs, maybe having like a Legendary Season. For the next rule, you might have to work close with the crafters who can use Materia to make the new weapon so you can have a cooperation. We really want it to be like a Final Fantasy special item, to be part of this legacy item.

Taken from here: http://rainyautumnskies.wordpress.co...naoki-yoshida/

[blowfin]

Gotta laugh at all the people thinking the sky is falling. The difference with Allagan weapons and relic is Relic will be upgraded many times in the future. Allagan weapons are a one off drop which will more than likely become obsolete in 2.2 or 2.3.

[Babydoll]

Gotta laugh at all the people thinking the sky is falling. The difference with Allagan weapons and relic is Relic will be upgraded many times in the future. Allagan weapons are a one off drop which will more than likely become obsolete in 2.2 or 2.3.

Yeah I agree. There is no way SE is just going to let relic weapons stay where they are atm lol.

[Pellegri]

Good of you to take your time in writing something I CBF reading. Blah blah I wasted my time.

Good of you to say off the bat you're an entitled little kid that feels that just because you pay a sub means you should get everything under the sun with or without effort. Your sub guarantees you nothing more than the ability to play the game, what you do in it is entirely up to you. If you don't want to put in the effort others do to attain a reward then do not come here whining when someone calls you out on it.

You want the best items there are? Then go out and earn them. You want to say because this is a video game that you shouldn't have to put effort in anything? Then you are playing the wrong genre.

It is a 1% increase if that over full ilvl 90 gear and relic +1. 1% is not going to hurt you or anyone else, I'm not sorry that you can't have a weapon that may or may not shave 1-2secs off your wp/ak runs. If you feel that it's more than that then go out and fucking earn it to see what I mean, this is not going to prevent you from getting into any kind of run or even prevent you from getting a decent time in a dungeon run.

[Kensai]

Hmm sounds to me like:

We cant make it a BLUE iLVL 90 have same Stats like a PURPLE iLVL 90 Weapon.
So we rise the Blue Weapon to iLVL 95 so its ok to have same Stats like a Purple 90 one.

I dont think they will increase Stats on Coil Weapons...only the Item Level

What do you think?

[Arale]

Hmm sounds to me like:

We cant make it a BLUE iLVL 90 have same Stats like a PURPLE iLVL 90 Weapon.
So we rise the Blue Weapon to iLVL 95 so its ok to have same Stats like a Purple 90 one.

I dont think they will increase Stats on Coil Weapons...only the Item Level

What do you think?

Item level dictates stats, I thought. If it goes up, so do the stats.

[zdub303]

Hmm sounds to me like:

We cant make it a BLUE iLVL 90 have same Stats like a PURPLE iLVL 90 Weapon.
So we rise the Blue Weapon to iLVL 95 so its ok to have same Stats like a Purple 90 one.

I dont think they will increase Stats on Coil Weapons...only the Item Level

What do you think?

I think it sounds like wishful thinking from someone who doesnt want to farm coil. There would be no point in raising the ilvl and leaving the stats. Of course the stats would increase to match the ilvl.

[Gandora]

This logic is flawless, if Relic is buffed up with the upcoming extreme modes, then why on earth do we need the quest reward Ilvl 90 Weapon, looks like the same garbage like Titan Hard Drops.

Oh and also, flawless thinking of increasing Allagan Weapons to 95, when there is no shield for casters ingame yet!!!!1111!!!!!!11!!!!1

Well simply because not everyone play like you or think like you. Not everyone is aiming to repeat "A relic reborn" for each of their job, not everyone want to redo the whole process X times.

This "Iwannabethebest" mentality is blinding so much players, remember that, even if the allagan weapons are there to *reward* players for clearing hard content, they can also be an alternative for people who doesn't want to do the relic quest for a sub par job, exactly like Primals weapons.

People need to stop thinking that because they can clear T5 the world rotate around them, no one give a damn about the fact others could clear T5. We'll all get there eventualy.

[pompey_dan]

My main job is DRG, our first twintania kill while on DRG I passed on the allagan DRG spear and gave it to someones off job because relic+1 was alot better at the time. Now the allagan will no doubt be better.

Might not see it drop again now for months with RNG and only an 11% chance of dropping per week. FML