BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Devils]

I am fine with losing Blood for Blood, with our low HP pool that was kind of dangerous anyway and should be saved for burn phases most times anyways. I am fine being not top DD on my Bard. I understand I need to sing Ballad or Foe at certain points to make the most of it which lowers my DPS. If they release a pure DD Archer or Musketeer I will stick with Bard because it if fun and has good utility. I hated Bard in FFXI because it was TOTAL support and was very boring to play. At least this keeps us in the action and we get great raid support to boot, and we have silence

[glen7187]

Remove lancer, give conjurer back, and let us use sleep as a cross class skill.

I agree with this. I think the whole mobility thing is the "niche" or mechanic of an archer/bard and they should let us keep that. If they are going to modify the cross class skills, they could just change it back to ARC/CON. But then I foresee a problem where there may be many bards who do not have CON leveled so that possibly may not be a practical solution unfortunately.

[EasymodeX]

And you allrdy mentioned you had a dragoon using disembowel in your target dummy parse.

Here is me, dpsing with another very geared BRD in my guild (he was screwing around and only had half the uptime). No Piecing debuff on the target,

Disembowel is roughly a 7% increase in BRD damage output.

Note: Twintania has multi-target and sort-of AOE mechanics so DPS can increase beyond single target (actually, with the whole afk phases of the fight, it more or less balances the DPS back to "single target-ish" levels).

[Pellegri]

I agree with this. I think the whole mobility thing is the "niche" or mechanic of an archer/bard and they should let us keep that. If they are going to modify the cross class skills, they could just change it back to ARC/CON. But then I foresee a problem where there may be many bards who do not have CON leveled so that possibly may not be a practical solution unfortunately.

Removing lancer and giving us conjurer however causes another problem. You know what titan/turn 2/4/5 would be like without invigorate? Having to sit there for 20secs of gimped dps so we can regain our own tp just sounds amazing when we could either be contributing more dmg to the fight or using a more beneficial song that affects more than just us. If they were to remove lancer they would have to then rebalance our tp gain so it would make up for the loss of invigorate, something I highly doubt they would put the thought into and just keep us gimped without invig or a tp regen buff.

[Luso]

It's a good chance blood for blood is being reworked away from bards. They didn't say anything in the letter of changing sub classes for bard. Rather they mentioned sub class skill will be adjusted.

[Allyrion]

It's a good chance blood for blood is being reworked away from bards. They didn't say anything in the letter of changing sub classes for bard. Rather they mentioned sub class skill will be adjusted.

SE is the king of vague.
Always keep'em guessing, I say.

[Phai]

SE is the king of vague.
Always keep'em guessing, I say.

Well, thats the truth right there

(Not Allyrion Quote anymore
Anyway, BfB i dont mind removed or reworked at all. invigorate on the other hand will cripple brd way to much imo.

But i did not play brd in 1.0, so please explain to me how conj cross class would make any sence in endgame? Cure? nope... Stoneskin? nope (our mana is reserved to give healers mana) sleep someone said? where u need sleep? havent seen that been used beside speedruns in WP.... and conj is a single target sleep right? -.-

As most ppl know, 2 x bard is gimped in most situations, and its just plain stupid to bring that to coil. Melee dps is like in most mmo's not favor'd to stack in endgame, so i wounder, give brd a nerf, give melee a well deserved dps boost (tho mnk is insane as it is), and what will change? i think the real issue will still stand strong even if u removed brd from the game.

[WiseWolfHolo]

SE is the king of vague.

This is the real problem, now I don't know if I want to dump more myth into bard or not depending on how gimp it gets, besides at endgame anyway u can have the pally silence along with selene for the first 2 turns or just have a monk do it all, so bard really does not fit in if they take away too much of it.

But i did not play brd in 1.0, so please explain to me how conj cross class would make any sence in endgame? Cure? nope... Stoneskin? nope (our mana is reserved to give healers mana) sleep someone said? where u need sleep? havent seen that been used beside speedruns in WP.... and conj is a single target sleep right? -.-

In 1.0 it was alright because you could heal, was not great but still better than what say a blm/smn does in 2.0. You could raise which you cant do now unless you are not in battle if you are not a healer class. You could SS was not the best but it went off your vit and so did protect, so sometimes it was better for a high vit bard to cast protect over a weaker geared whm.

[Luso]

Conjurer sleep would not be very useful on a bard. How many times does a party call for sleep (wp speed run excluded, but even then it's a black mage sleep). Crowd controlling monsters is kind of a joke. The current content is easy to complete without relying on heavy crowd controls. Also, sleep is currently useless in Coil.

In all honesty, there are very few cross-class skills that are awesome to cross class for each job. Then we are stuck with the sub-par cross-class skills that are much weaker outside of their respective class.

[glen7187]

Removing lancer and giving us conjurer however causes another problem. You know what titan/turn 2/4/5 would be like without invigorate? Having to sit there for 20secs of gimped dps so we can regain our own tp just sounds amazing when we could either be contributing more dmg to the fight or using a more beneficial song that affects more than just us. If they were to remove lancer they would have to then rebalance our tp gain so it would make up for the loss of invigorate, something I highly doubt they would put the thought into and just keep us gimped without invig or a tp regen buff.

You speak truth, I forgot about Invigorate which I use religiously in every long battle... I was thinking more like swap PGL with CON but like I said that would be too impractical.