Concern with Pc Players and Console Players

[Sixmp]

Do people that refuse to use VC just expect to be carried, or just never been to twintania?

If you need the extra help of coms who is carrying who?

Once you know a fight you do not need coms, therefore not using coms will make it take a little longer to learn a fight, sometimes. IF at all.
Unless of course you are stating that FFXIV content is suddenly the hardest mmo ever made?

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

If you need the extra help of coms who is carrying who?

It's just unrealistic to expect the hardest content in MMORPG's to be done efficiently, if at all, without VC. Coordinating 8 people, let alone 24, in a timely manner, just cannot be done by text. By the time you write something, then read a reply or several, then reply again, answer someone's question on something… not even taking into factor the fact that you're a sitting duck when typing, thus that much prone to eat an AoE, lose on DPS, miss a crucial heal… the boss mechanic which prompted the need for communication, or improvisation, has well passed and you wiped.

You're burying your head in the sand here. Seriously, you must not have much raiding experience on difficult content in MMO's to say something like that.

[Sixmp]

It's just unrealistic to expect the hardest content in MMORPG's to be done efficiently, if at all, without VC. Coordinating 8 people, let alone 24, in a timely manner, just cannot be done by text. By the time you write something, then read a reply or several, then reply again, answer someone's question on something… not even taking into factor the fact that you're a sitting duck when typing, thus that much prone to eat an AoE, lose on DPS, miss a crucial heal… the boss mechanic which prompted the need for communication, or improvisation, has well passed and you wiped.

You're burying your head in the sand here. Seriously, you must not have much raiding experience on difficult content in MMO's to say something like that.

Only people who are burying their heads ore people who insist that coms is needed. I mean how did content ever get cleared in any MMO before coms became popular?

What about those PS2 only Linkshells in FFXI that didn't use coms?
People keep saying about typing mid fight... I mean REALLY?

You see what happens in the real world is this. People talk about the fight beforehand. They then try the content. If they fail they talk about it some more. Then try again. Repeat until content is complete.
The simple fact that people even use typing during an actual fight as an argument shows how little they actually know about NOT using coms.
There are macros that can be used for instance to share info, if needed.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

Only people who are burying their heads ore people who insist that coms is needed. I mean how did content ever get cleared in any MMO before coms became popular?

What about those PS2 only Linkshells in FFXI that didn't use coms?
People keep saying about typing mid fight... I mean REALLY?

You see what happens in the real world is this. People talk about the fight beforehand. They then try the content. If they fail they talk about it some more. Then try again. Repeat until content is complete.
The simple fact that people even use typing during an actual fight as an argument shows how little they actually know about NOT using coms.
There are macros that can be used for instance to share info, if needed.

Haha. your vision of "real world" raiding is so out of touch. It's a joke.

Yes we brief, yes we debrief, but if we didn't communicate during the fights, we wouldn't kill many bosses, or it would take infinitely longer and would be so frustrating, not to be able to communicate with others—when games are supposed to be fun, and team play an achievement and a pleasure, not a chore. Never had a fight going south, requiring players to improvise a solution, quick? Oh, you wipe then… and "repeat" as you say… but why would you choose to make it harder for you and repeat 100 times when it could be done in 10?

I've never ever seen people playing like you're describing in 10+ years of MMORPG. I've seen VC used ever since we had broadband.
EDIT: as for FFXI it's so slow-paced that it can't be compared to most current, modern MMO's—even ARR.

Believe what you will. Play with a handicap if you like it. Actual raiders know the 'reality' or raiding.

[Sixmp]

Haha. yadda yadda exaggeration yadda some more

You have played your way, i have played mine. Just because you have used coms your whole time does not mean that is the same for everyone.
Improvising to a situation doesn't require coms. Experience does far more than coms can ever cover.

[Axidrain]

You have played your way, i have played mine. Just because you have used coms your whole time does not mean that is the same for everyone.
Improvising to a situation doesn't require coms. Experience does far more than coms can ever cover.

i would recommend you to at least max level one of your battle classes before further commenting on this. coil requires comms to clear. or you'll spend weeks wiping on the same turn. its a fact. like i said, its the difference between clearing a turn or wiping endlessly just cuz nobody knows what they're supposed to do or why they wiped.

[Ri_ri]

i would recommend you to at least max level one of your battle classes before further commenting on this. coil requires comms to clear. or you'll spend weeks wiping on the same turn. its a fact. like i said, its the difference between clearing a turn or wiping endlessly just cuz nobody knows what they're supposed to do or why they wiped.

The things you mentioned can be written on the chat. There's enough time to do that, and it's probably better since everyone can read it again and again (while spoken words are easily missed).

[Sixmp]

i would recommend you to at least max level one of your battle classes before further commenting on this. coil requires comms to clear. or you'll spend weeks wiping on the same turn. its a fact. like i said, its the difference between clearing a turn or wiping endlessly just cuz nobody knows what they're supposed to do or why they wiped.

As i have said many times. I never said it didn't make things easier but it isn't impossible to clear any content without coms.
People who use the "you are not level 50 argument" really need to think before using it. Is FFXIV now the hardest MMO ever made? I had no problems in any of the others i have played over the years.
Most people require you to know what the fight requires anyway before stepping in, so you already know what is going to kill you, unless of course you just happen to be one of the first going through it which as you pointed out, i am not.

[MieyCyruuuus]

I find it hard to take you seriously when you haven't even reached level 50.

[Sixmp]

I find it hard to take you seriously when you haven't even reached level 50.

Yeah because this is the only MMO ever made isn't it? I find the fact you even use the not level 50 argument reason enough to ignore you totally.