Allagan Gear getting buffed to ilvl95.

[Sayura_]

Magical considering first coil wins were only about 2 months ago on goblin. Yet you been clearing it for 3 months?

Started coil turns 1-2 in early September. It is now the end of November. What is the issue?

[Hanemakikaze]

It's really all quite simple. One takes time while the other takes skill. One is quicker while the other takes patience.

Scripted encounters do not take skill, only memorizing their patterns & mechanics. PVP would be something that takes skill, as laughable as it will be.

[talisein]

Its going to be a while before FCs can actually carry someone through a Twintania kill. I suspect it'll be after 2.2, once Coil 1-5 isnt all that relevant and Relic +2 is ilvl100, obtainable from some other extremely easy to acquire currency.

There was a group selling Twintania this week on Hyperion.

[zdub303]

There was a group selling Twintania this week on Hyperion.

Yeah maybe you're right... 2.2 is a long ways away.. what am I saying. With full i90 and some practice the dps checks should be doable with 7.

[Pellegri]

Scripted encounters do not take skill, only memorizing their patterns & mechanics. PVP would be something that takes skill, as laughable as it will be.

Lets see how you do in a fight like Twin with that attitude. Go into it with terrible gear or a bad group that somehow managed to get past turn 4, see you how far you get without a form of skill. It takes skill to learn your class and perform to the best of your abilities, it takes skill to get mechanics down and remember them through a month of wipes before you "may" get it. If you think learning mechanics is the only skill based thing about this fight then I'd like to see you get a group together of skilled mechanic dodgers alone and see how far you get.

[MMONSTER]

I just want it so deflate the ego's of elitest who think they're better than everyone. Guess what you aren't myth is pretty much equal to allagan so the hell with you all.

You sir fail at life and are exactly what is wrong with games like this, you call others elitist but care sooo damn much what they think about people like you. Its not the so called elitists that are the problem its people like you with in game pixel self esteem problems

[Laiyenu]

You sir fail at life and are exactly what is wrong with games like this, you call others elitist but care sooo damn much what they think about people like you. Its not the so called elitists that are the problem its people like you with in game pixel self esteem problems

Can't like this post more than once. Fix SE please.

[Hanemakikaze]

Lets see how you do in a fight like Twin with that attitude. Go into it with terrible gear or a bad group that somehow managed to get past turn 4, see you how far you get without a form of skill. It takes skill to learn your class and perform to the best of your abilities, it takes skill to get mechanics down and remember them through a month of wipes before you "may" get it. If you think learning mechanics is the only skill based thing about this fight then I'd like to see you get a group together of skilled mechanic dodgers alone and see how far you get.

No one will get past turn 4 in bad gear, it's not really up for debate. Twin wasn't beat until everyone got the mechanics of the fight down(the legit kills) and ran coil enough to get more gear for it. PVE endgame is nothing more than good communication, knowing the fights mechanics, and gear.

I didn't mention knowing your class because that's a given, you could know all about it and still get destroyed because you have no idea how the mechanics of a fight works. End of the day, know the fight, have gear for it, communication. You're still fighting a scripted fight where you know exactly what's coming every single time. So no, I will never consider PVE skill based, to me it's more know your role and the fight. But if that's what your definition of skill is, I won't argue it.

[Grym]

Then by that standard. skill in other things include:

PvP - know what to use when opponent uses X ability to counter it, if not use y.
Golf - know the course, remember the angle and strength for swings, use the right club for the appropriate sitiuation.
Tennis - know your angle and strength when hitting the ball, have good reflex on where the ball get return to, and hit to the hardest place to return.

Everything in life get boiled down to: knowledge of what you are doing, good reflex on changes, and a perfect execution. Even the ever so skillful PvP is pretty much a combination of that 3 elements.

[Hanemakikaze]

Then by that standard. skill in other things include:

PvP - know what to use when opponent uses X ability to counter it, if not use y.
Golf - know the course, remember the angle and strength for swings, use the right club for the appropriate sitiuation.
Tennis - know your angle and strength when hitting the ball, have good reflex on where the ball get return to, and hit to the hardest place to return.

Everything in life get boiled down to: knowledge of what you are doing, good reflex on changes, and a perfect execution. Even the ever so skillful PvP is pretty much a combination of that 3 elements.

Alright,can you outsmart/outplay a scripted encounter with skillful play like you can do against an actual intelligent real human with a mind of their own(with the ability to react to your own actions or vise versa) in pretty much any sport, or most competitive activities? No?

That's right, because scripted fights just go in a linear direction as programed. I suppose you didn't get that by whatever point you're trying to make. If the encounter isn't completely scripted, skill comes into play, but that is not the case with FFXIV endgame. That being my point that you apparently didn't get.