I'm sad to see this game going the same route as SWTOR.

[Borfin]

Amazing story, fantastic graphics, and really I've only had a few minor gripes with this game.

But as I see and hear more from the developers about incoming changes (and I see people plugging their ears on the forums) I become very discouraged.

See, I don't -want- to level other classes. Running Fates (or even repetitive dungeons) on a class other than the ones I enjoy isn't worthwhile content to me. I was excited about Crystal Tower, but releasing it as is now would be like Blizzard releasing T14 AFTER they release T15 content. Sure, you'll get some people who run it for vanity, you'll get some people who run it for the experience. You'll get a few who run it to gear up for Coil - but the fact is, it's not necessary. It CAN be skipped, and easily - therefore, people will skip it. For a genre whose precedent was set by WoW, it's amazing to me to see SE not understand the simple fact that the general populace takes a class they enjoy and runs it to its maximum potential.

Players like to advance their character in strength. As an example, I was excited when I got Swiftcast. (Although mostly because I didn't have to touch THM again.) I don't like endless repetitive grinding on a class I don't enjoy. I enjoy my SMN. I want to focus on my SMN. I'm not the only one who feels this way.

It's hilarious because if you used the same arguments I see here every day on these forums, you'd be laughed off the face of the game. "There's still content! Level another class!"

Let's be clear here: Leveling alts is not acceptable expansive content in the competitive MMO genre. I enjoy SMN, I enjoy my Marauder. I don't see any reason to level crafting professions, but that's my case with any MMO.

Now, I'm not here to complain about the lack of content. It's a new game, I get that. I'm saddened because of the direction the additional content is going. The fact that CT offers LOWER TIER gear than Coil means it will not see as much action. Period. It will be harder to find groups, and for the endgame minded people will likely just skip it. That's all there is to it, and I'm utterly blown away that the devs don't see something so blatantly obvious.

If there were other methods of obtaining tomes besides running AK and WP over and over and over again, I might be able to stand the grind. As it stands, the devs have made some incredibly poor design choices and, while I'm sad to go, I don't see myself sticking around.

WoD looks really good. I was fully planning on quitting WoW for this game - had already guild quit, the whole shebang - but between this and the fact that they refuse to acknowledge let alone address the netcode issue... Well...

SWTOR all over again.

Just saying.

I've already unsubscribed, but I will be keeping an eye on the forums. If something with the netcode or endgame progression is addressed, I'll happily come back - but I'm far to disappointed with the route of design SE has taken at this point in time.

edit: I have been informed the devs have actually addressed the netcode issue and are working towards fixes. This is fantastic news for someone who loves this game as much as I do. I will be resubscribing this evening.

[Reslin]

reserved

/10char

Yeah, I mean losing 500,000 your subscribers at the end of the sec- Wait, we didn't? Carry on then.

Note you claimed "If there was more to run than AK/WP..

You do realize beastmen dailies will provide tomes of mythology? As will treasure hunting and the three new dungeons? (PHaros Sirius and the two new hard modes.) That means 5 dungeons that you can choose to run for mythology. Then again there's the beastman dailies/treasure hunting and the duty roulette. They also mentioned crystal tower will provide tomes of mythology. So your "lack of options for myth" is going to be done away with.

[Okunbunu]

Agreed one hundred percent. For the next 4-6 months there is little to no reason for me to log on any other day besides one hour on monday unless I want to make my character look pretty.

[peaches]

I've personally already stopped playing about two weeks ago, and I was sick of the AK/WP grind about 6 weeks ago. There's still stuff I want to do like level carpenter and Marauder, but I just can't bring myself to do it. FATEs are mindnumbingly boring, but when you're getting 30-40 min queues AS A HEALER (pre 50) you can tell that not many people are doing dungeons, and most are doing FATEs.

I've started coil, got to turn 4 and obtained one piece of Allagan gear now out of my current two runs. I don't play my crafting classes anymore as the instant you put 2+ items on the MB people just play the undercut war with you, you don't sell anything for days and the price ends up 1/2 or less than what it was worth a day ago. I'm personally holding out until 2.1, and I can see that keeping my busy for another month probably, we'll see how the endgame and leveling grind is at that point. The kicker is, I've already paid for 6 months (Yea, I jumped the gun a little there..) so I'll be popping on now and again to see how the game progresses.

[BlaiseArath]

I'm not one to defend SE in this MMO venture, But i will say that theres a good chunk of the more casual player base not running coil. That said, Crystal tower will likely offer a good stepping stone for them to access certain content. I mean, Item Level restrictions are coming so this content could offer a good baseline armor for players who want to access extreme primals for instance, when and if they beat HM titan/get their relic.

I don't really agree with the idea of 24 man content where you're forced to use Duty finder and can only bring 8 People, and i definitely don't agree with the idea that the only reason anyone who's got Relic gear or Coil gear has to do Crystal Tower is "Vanity" slots... But for a stepping stone, it may well help some of the population. not really enough... but some.

[Rochetm]

Almost everyone in my FC is excited for 2.1 and are continuing to do the same stuff we have been doing. If the only thing you care about is gear for yourself then may MMOs are not for you.

[Borfin]

Yeah, I mean losing 500,000 your subscribers at the end of the sec- Wait, we didn't? Carry on then.

Note you claimed "If there was more to run than AK/WP..

You do realize beastmen dailies will provide tomes of mythology.

I did not realize this. This is good news.

As will treasure hunting and the three new dungeons? (PHaros Sirius and the two new hard modes.) That means 5 dungeons that you can choose to run for mythology. Then again there's the beastman dailies/treasure hunting and the duty roulette. They also mentioned crystal tower will provide tomes of mythology. So your "lack of options for myth" is going to be done away with.

Problem with CT is still what I stated; if it's less efficient than speedrunning, it'll be largely ignored. Don't get me wrong, I still run Prae for tomes even though it's crappy, but I'm in the minority here, and I'll only do it 4-5 times total as opposed to ~100 for WP. This should never be the case with a raid tier, the be-all-end-all of endgame content.

Finding groups for it will be more difficult if it isn't more efficient, and if it IS, it'll only last that way as long as people need myth tomes. The thing is, the percentage of the playerbase that has completed Coil is only going to increase, and those people will have no need for CT.

I never said there was a lack of options. Reread the post; it's a new game, it's OK to have limited content. I'm sad with the direction the devs are taking it, as it's poor choice. That still leaves the devs' ignorance of the netcode issue - or rather their lack of visually acknowledging it.

If the only thing you care about is gear for yourself then may MMOs are not for you.

Ahahahahaha. Way to completely misread the post.

[Lecreuset]

We should all be used to it by now that everyone has different complaints no matter what they're given.

[SynMaris]

Yeah, I mean losing 500,000 your subscribers at the end of the sec- Wait, we didn't? Carry on then.

Note you claimed "If there was more to run than AK/WP..

You do realize beastmen dailies will provide tomes of mythology. As will treasure hunting and the three new dungeons? (PHaros Sirius and the two new hard modes.) That means 5 dungeons that you can choose to run for mythology. Then again there's the beastman dailies/treasure hunting and the duty roulette. They also mentioned crystal tower will provide tomes of mythology. So your "lack of options for myth" is going to be done away with.

Actually... Game sold 1mil+ but only managed to retain 600k or so, expect that number to decline bruv.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/11/...g-subscribers/

[Drakzen1]

Almost everyone in my FC is excited for 2.1 and are continuing to do the same stuff we have been doing. If the only thing you care about is gear for yourself then may MMOs are not for you.

Im a little confused with this...what exactly do you care about...mmos are based on the endless drive to get better gear