I'm sad to see this game going the same route as SWTOR.

[Borfin]

Amazing story, fantastic graphics, and really I've only had a few minor gripes with this game.

But as I see and hear more from the developers about incoming changes (and I see people plugging their ears on the forums) I become very discouraged.

See, I don't -want- to level other classes. Running Fates (or even repetitive dungeons) on a class other than the ones I enjoy isn't worthwhile content to me. I was excited about Crystal Tower, but releasing it as is now would be like Blizzard releasing T14 AFTER they release T15 content. Sure, you'll get some people who run it for vanity, you'll get some people who run it for the experience. You'll get a few who run it to gear up for Coil - but the fact is, it's not necessary. It CAN be skipped, and easily - therefore, people will skip it. For a genre whose precedent was set by WoW, it's amazing to me to see SE not understand the simple fact that the general populace takes a class they enjoy and runs it to its maximum potential.

Players like to advance their character in strength. As an example, I was excited when I got Swiftcast. (Although mostly because I didn't have to touch THM again.) I don't like endless repetitive grinding on a class I don't enjoy. I enjoy my SMN. I want to focus on my SMN. I'm not the only one who feels this way.

It's hilarious because if you used the same arguments I see here every day on these forums, you'd be laughed off the face of the game. "There's still content! Level another class!"

Let's be clear here: Leveling alts is not acceptable expansive content in the competitive MMO genre. I enjoy SMN, I enjoy my Marauder. I don't see any reason to level crafting professions, but that's my case with any MMO.

Now, I'm not here to complain about the lack of content. It's a new game, I get that. I'm saddened because of the direction the additional content is going. The fact that CT offers LOWER TIER gear than Coil means it will not see as much action. Period. It will be harder to find groups, and for the endgame minded people will likely just skip it. That's all there is to it, and I'm utterly blown away that the devs don't see something so blatantly obvious.

If there were other methods of obtaining tomes besides running AK and WP over and over and over again, I might be able to stand the grind. As it stands, the devs have made some incredibly poor design choices and, while I'm sad to go, I don't see myself sticking around.

WoD looks really good. I was fully planning on quitting WoW for this game - had already guild quit, the whole shebang - but between this and the fact that they refuse to acknowledge let alone address the netcode issue... Well...

SWTOR all over again.

Just saying.

I've already unsubscribed, but I will be keeping an eye on the forums. If something with the netcode or endgame progression is addressed, I'll happily come back - but I'm far to disappointed with the route of design SE has taken at this point in time.

edit: I have been informed the devs have actually addressed the netcode issue and are working towards fixes. This is fantastic news for someone who loves this game as much as I do. I will be resubscribing this evening.

[Reslin]

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Yeah, I mean losing 500,000 your subscribers at the end of the sec- Wait, we didn't? Carry on then.

Note you claimed "If there was more to run than AK/WP..

You do realize beastmen dailies will provide tomes of mythology? As will treasure hunting and the three new dungeons? (PHaros Sirius and the two new hard modes.) That means 5 dungeons that you can choose to run for mythology. Then again there's the beastman dailies/treasure hunting and the duty roulette. They also mentioned crystal tower will provide tomes of mythology. So your "lack of options for myth" is going to be done away with.

[Borfin]

Yeah, I mean losing 500,000 your subscribers at the end of the sec- Wait, we didn't? Carry on then.

Note you claimed "If there was more to run than AK/WP..

You do realize beastmen dailies will provide tomes of mythology.

I did not realize this. This is good news.

As will treasure hunting and the three new dungeons? (PHaros Sirius and the two new hard modes.) That means 5 dungeons that you can choose to run for mythology. Then again there's the beastman dailies/treasure hunting and the duty roulette. They also mentioned crystal tower will provide tomes of mythology. So your "lack of options for myth" is going to be done away with.

Problem with CT is still what I stated; if it's less efficient than speedrunning, it'll be largely ignored. Don't get me wrong, I still run Prae for tomes even though it's crappy, but I'm in the minority here, and I'll only do it 4-5 times total as opposed to ~100 for WP. This should never be the case with a raid tier, the be-all-end-all of endgame content.

Finding groups for it will be more difficult if it isn't more efficient, and if it IS, it'll only last that way as long as people need myth tomes. The thing is, the percentage of the playerbase that has completed Coil is only going to increase, and those people will have no need for CT.

I never said there was a lack of options. Reread the post; it's a new game, it's OK to have limited content. I'm sad with the direction the devs are taking it, as it's poor choice. That still leaves the devs' ignorance of the netcode issue - or rather their lack of visually acknowledging it.

If the only thing you care about is gear for yourself then may MMOs are not for you.

Ahahahahaha. Way to completely misread the post.

[Reslin]

I did not realize this. This is good news.

I never said there was a lack of options. Reread the post; it's a new game, it's OK to have limited content. I'm sad with the direction the devs are taking it, as it's poor choice. That still leaves the devs' ignorance of the netcode issue - or rather their lack of visually acknowledging it.

I apologize for my harsh tone when saying "You do realize." some people disregard things like that. I also see that you're willing to actually debate than state opinions as facts which is why I'm apologizing for how my first post to you was worded. Sorry about the assumption. CT not being efficient? It really depends on how much myth tomes it requires. It may give an obscene number given the scale of the content; it may not. I can't say one way or another but I will say this.. the netcode issue did get addressed. They stated that it can't be fixed entirely but they're going to make it less problematic in end game dungeons and content. They can't do it for the whole game but they can do it in specific instances so there will be an upgrade to it. Better than nothing I suppose. Honestly, the .3 second delay is my biggest gripe with the game even if I can work around it. There's still the fact that there's going to be 5 "End game dungeons" aside from crystal tower. So there might be something aside from running just WP/AK there's also a possibility one of these areas will be even more efficient but.. that's also just speculation.

Actually... Game sold 1mil+ but only managed to retain 600k or so, expect that number to decline bruv.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/11/...g-subscribers/

No. That's completely normal and isn't a decline. Those were never people that subscribed (paid a monthly fee.) SWTOR lost 500,000 subscribers by the end of their second month. 500,000 people who already paid their 15 dollars. WoW sold well over 60,000,000 copies. Most people that buy an mmo don't subscribe. Many people buy it just to try it out and don't play longer than their 30 days. Most mmo's drop to abysmally low numbers by the third month. Also note this 500,000 of those players joined in october. By that update they haven't yet put in any payment. Their initial 30 days aren't up. How many of them subscribed? How many of them didn't? We don't currently have access to those numbers.

[SynMaris]

Snip.

SWTOR's initial dip was the typical one too, but eventually the games lack of content is what did it in, which is what is going to happen here if they don't get their shit together.

[Reslin]

SWTOR's initial dip was the typical one too, but eventually the games lack of content is what did it in, which is what is going to happen here if they don't get their shit together.

No it wasn't the typical one. They lost 500,000 subs. We didn't.

[Raze_Krauser]

SWTOR's initial dip was the typical one too, but eventually the games lack of content is what did it in, which is what is going to happen here if they don't get their shit together.

SWTOR didn't fail because of lack of content. It failed due to poor support and horrible PvP design (except Huttball).

Ilum was a disaster, Soa's platforms were consistantly bugged despite Bioware claiming they fixed it. Every world was designed to keep Empire and Alliance factions apart, which killed World PvP from the get go.

[SynMaris]

Yeah, I mean losing 500,000 your subscribers at the end of the sec- Wait, we didn't? Carry on then.

Note you claimed "If there was more to run than AK/WP..

You do realize beastmen dailies will provide tomes of mythology. As will treasure hunting and the three new dungeons? (PHaros Sirius and the two new hard modes.) That means 5 dungeons that you can choose to run for mythology. Then again there's the beastman dailies/treasure hunting and the duty roulette. They also mentioned crystal tower will provide tomes of mythology. So your "lack of options for myth" is going to be done away with.

Actually... Game sold 1mil+ but only managed to retain 600k or so, expect that number to decline bruv.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/11/...g-subscribers/

[Starlord]

Actually...
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/11/...g-subscribers/

Every MMO has an initial nose dive ( which has settled at 600k 3 months into the game) . Which will probably drop to about 500k and and keep that pace ( and possible grow over time as patch make the game bigger).

[Okunbunu]

Agreed one hundred percent. For the next 4-6 months there is little to no reason for me to log on any other day besides one hour on monday unless I want to make my character look pretty.