Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Cairdeas]

Personally I hope they put in any class / job combination. BLM/THF may not have been optimal for partying but was great for farming. As was BLM/RNG if you needed widescan, BLM/WAR if you're playing with a friend and need provoke, War/BLM if you needed warp (or if you wanted to play a poor mans DRK) etc.

Not every job combination was amazing but a lot of them had uses. Hopefully they give each job something unique so even if its not a great combination, you still have a reason to throw it on every once in a while.

Thank you ^_^

[TheVedis]

Does the fact that Matsui said that "Jobs are not Advanced Classes" mean anything then?

And besides, even if you are a Monk, you are still using a Hand-to-hand weapon which also means you're a Pugilist. lol So that already explains that Jobs are not replacements.

i still believe that when they said "not advanced classes" they meant not in the same sense that FFXI did them
in 11 ALL unlockable jobs were advanced jobs. And you started them again from rank 1.

I think saying that they arent advanced classes is basicaly saying they arent new classes you have to level.

[Nuru]

i still believe that when they said "not advanced classes" they meant not in the same sense that FFXI did them
in 11 ALL unlockable jobs were advanced jobs. And you started them again from rank 1.

I think saying that they arent advanced classes is basicaly saying they arent new classes you have to level.

I see what you are saying, and I understand that they are just specialization for party roles.

However, I'm sure people would like to be able to use their favorite weapon and be able to choose between more than one role. Which is what my branching post was about.

Needless to say, that a White Monk wont nearly be as effective as a White Mage, but it would be as diverse enough to be able to perform the Healer Role a bit differently, and on some situations, White Monks would probably out-perform White Mages, depending on the type of situation.

Pretty much how Paradigms were in FFXIII. They each had their own weapon and list of Paradigms that they were efficient enough to play as.

[TheVedis]

I see what you are saying, and I understand that they are just specialization for party roles.

However, I'm sure people would like to be able to use their favorite weapon and be able to choose between more than one role. Which is what my branching post was about.

Needless to say, that a White Monk wont nearly be as effective as a White Mage, but it would be as diverse enough to be able to perform the Healer Role a bit differently, and on some situations, White Monks would probably out-perform White Mages, depending on the type of situation.

Pretty much how Paradigms were in FFXIII. They each had their own weapon and list of Paradigms that they were efficient enough to play as.

thats why i think each class will have multiple jobs it can eventualy unlock
so thats definately not out of the picture

and some will have cross class jobs(probly have to unlock it on EACH class seperately too)

[Lerris]

Does the fact that Matsui said that "Jobs are not Advanced Classes" mean anything then?

And besides, even if you are a Monk, you are still using a Hand-to-hand weapon which also means you're a Pugilist. lol So that already explains that Jobs are not replacements.

Drawing conclusions from semantics on a translated message is not a very reliable analysis. Hence, we don't have enough information to make that conclusion.

Back to Cairdeas's point that becoming a monk doesn't automatically make you not a pugilist:
If the job replaces the class, then it's likely jobs can use more than one weapon type. If jobs are added to the class, then it's unlikely jobs can use more than one weapon type. Cairdeas should hope he's wrong about that.

[Nuru]

thats why i think each class will have multiple jobs it can eventualy unlock
so thats definately not out of the picture

and some will have cross class jobs(probly have to unlock it on EACH class seperately too)

So in other words.. White Mage Unlocked + Monk Unlocked = White Monk Quest Available.

Each job should actually have lore that explains why they are not exactly guilds, but more like they are forms of battle that were taught and used by the Grand Companies during times of war. Jobs are advanced war techniques that allow one to focus and become more efficient in large groups.

Drawing conclusions from semantics on a translated message is not a very reliable analysis. Hence, we don't have enough information to make that conclusion.

Back to Cairdeas's point that becoming a monk doesn't automatically make you not a pugilist:
If the job replaces the class, then it's likely jobs can use more than one weapon type. If jobs are added to the class, then it's unlikely jobs can use more than one weapon type. Cairdeas should hope he's wrong about that.

The confusing thing is this: You are putting Jobs first before you are considering the Class/Weapon you are using.

This is a simple way to understand that Jobs will not replace Class.

You are using a hand-to-hand weapon. You are a Pugilist.

Since you are a Pugilist, you can select the Role as a Monk.

You are now a Pugilist, performing as a Monk.

Being a Monk isn't more important than the weapon you use. In fact, its the weapon you use that is important to your role as a Monk.

You equip a Battle Staff. You are a Stavesman.

You want to perform the Role as a Monk.

You are now a Stavesman, performing as a Monk.

That is pretty much how it would work if multiple classes were able to perform as Monk.

[TheVedis]

So in other words.. White Mage Unlocked + Monk Unlocked = White Monk Quest Available.

Each job should actually have lore that explains why they are not exactly guilds, but more like they are forms of battle that were taught and used by the Grand Companies during times of war. Jobs are advanced war techniques that allow one to focus and become more efficient in large groups.

no i meant where Con may have a white mage unlock
thm may have a seperate white mage unlock
monk may have its own support/healing unlock(though i dont see why it would personaly)

[Cairdeas]

no i meant where Con may have a white mage unlock
thm may have a seperate white mage unlock
monk may have its own support/healing unlock(though i dont see why it would personaly)

Because one of the core tenantes of most of the past monks has been healing the party using their spiritual powers.

[Nuru]

no i meant where Con may have a white mage unlock
thm may have a seperate white mage unlock
monk may have its own support/healing unlock(though i dont see why it would personaly)

Ah i see. Or perhaps when you quest for certain abilities for your Job, you can specialize it, and the "White Monk" won't actually be the job, but can have separate Artifact armors that will significantly enhance certain Abilities.

[TheVedis]

Ah i see. Or perhaps when you quest for certain abilities for your Job, you can specialize it, and the "White Monk" won't actually be the job, but can have separate Artifact armors that will significantly enhance certain Abilities.

well specialization is what jobs are all about