Can't make a full premade for Crystal Tower...

[Tupsi]

This, this, this!

So much f**king whining and only one person who actually thinks..

Indeed - Instead of the simple solution of SE just....designing it as it should be designed since you can queue up with people in every other dungeon/raid pre-made, they make it specifically different for this.

So what's the solution? "Use make shift methods instead to circumvent systems!" You know if this was any other community and service, far less people would be trying to tell people "don't complain, just deal with it and circumvent."

[Xatsh]

Leeching is not fine, that's why we'll be able to kick them.

I doubt anyone's gonna leech, though. The queue timer should be punishment enough, at least for non-tanks. Waiting over 30 minutes to get in, run the risk of getting kicked and having to wait another queue... might as well just play the game.

It will not be 1 or 2 people, it will be whole groups leaving at once. Leaching = someone not pulling thier weight. People in WP/AK gear are leaching. DL and relic is the minimume standard for entree level endgame. SE needs to either increase the ILvl to 70 or people below that will be leaching, even if they are playing.

[MisakiSatomi]

If only i could queue for Coil! oh...

[Sixmp]

You do make good points, however I disagree with the stuff I quoted you on. How is carrying griefers through content the same as building a strong community? Isn't it the exact opposite?

Well they will rely on 23 other people to clear the content. I would suspect they would be less interested in griefing so people who might grief would also be under scrutiny from the games community. Names would be passed round the community and naughty people would be excluded.

[Freakiie]

How exactly are you to build a community with a bunch of people from other servers that you never see again after you're done?

And while there are roundabouts for this (heck you can toy with your language settings a bit to increase your chances even further and so on), people shouldn't need to use them. Heck, the whole thing is pointless anyway exactly because of those workarounds. Still doesn't change that this decision from the dev team is pretty bad, since it basically just reconfirms that they're trying to cater to the solo players. I also wouldn't get my hopes up on the vote to kick. Probably gonna be something like the ability to kick someone if he didn't move for more than 30 minutes or so knowing SE.

Well they will rely on 23 other people to clear the content. I would suspect they would be less interested in griefing so people who might grief would also be under scrutiny from the games community. Names would be passed round the community and naughty people would be excluded.

Yeah that's totally gonna happen! Totally! *sarcasm off*

Seriously it's like those people thinking they can "blacklist" people for fates group in Blue Fog because they handed in the earth core fate or something. Then consider that this is cross server and I wish you very, very good luck at excluding anyone from anything. Oh and wait, the only thing you can't queue up for outside the DF is Coil. What exactly are you even going to exclude people from?

[Phe]

I agree it sucks, but at least there's a simple solution any FC with minimal coordination can do:

Queue three groups at same time, cancel queue if everyone doesn't insta queue, problem solved.

yea i can imagine it quite well how often parties enter and immediately 1-2 PTs leave because of "oops - wrong alliance"

there will be other parties to wait for queue as well, so insta queue doesn't mean u're getting the right alliance.

[Riv]

yeah this is pretty lame.

[anceru]

Well they will rely on 23 other people to clear the content. I would suspect they would be less interested in griefing so people who might grief would also be under scrutiny from the games community. Names would be passed round the community and naughty people would be excluded.

I believe in a more systemic approach. Passing around names in a community seems to me like a step backward and reminds me of something you'd find in older games like FFXI.

[Starfox71rt]

Not a fan of this decision either. Furthermore, they stated that certain parts of CT where the groups will be split up will require each group to proceed on their own or the whole alliance gets stuck. More specifically, if one group is having trouble, the other groups can not help.

Last but not least, if there was the option of going in premade, FCs could arrange the 3 groups such that they are balanced and should progress at a relatively similar speed. Without premades, we could have a situation where a much better geared group of 8 is waiting on a group that barely meets the minimum requirements to enter.

[Sixmp]

Negativity

Well it is what we have to work with. It is something people will have to deal with after all an MMO is all about playing with other people. I think the problem players really wont be as bad as you think. It is one thing to mess about with small groups who cannot kick you but when 23 people want to boot you then it is a different matter.