A party member has withdrawn. Finding new members.

[Sunarie]

As someone else mentioned earlier, there was a known bug about this and it was stated that a fix is coming from SE. Queuing as a dps I've noticed a different annoyance while leveling in dungeons. When I've clicked the "in progress" box I will often get sent to a group that just has me and another dps (I guess cause the finding new members thing doesn't find all of the members before teleporting them in.. just does it as it gets them). I've even got a dungeon pop where I entered the instance and I was the only one there (presumably the last person left right after I clicked accept).

[Besbeset]

Yay, then when a tank dc's or is bad and leave you will NEVER get a rep.

Correct me If I'm wrong, but are you actually earning any tokens if you don't finish the instance?

[Highlanderx]

There was a dev post in the JP forums saying they know there's a problem with the DF that it sometimes withdraws the party even while nobody withdrew. I forgot when they say they will patch it, but they know about the problem and are working on it.

And there was a post on the english forums. That had a Dev recognizing there was a problem of people withdrawing on endgame dungeons repeatedly, because they are trying to join a partially completed run. And that the new Duty Finder that comes with the 2.1 update, that it would no longer be possible to do. And that they weren't going to punish anybody who did, because there is a chance its not the players fault, and there is no way for them to know if it is,

[Besbeset]

Yeah... people who choose to join in-progress duties to help people who lost a member should be punished.

You aren't punishing anyone with that system. You'll earn the same rewards that in a normal run. Is just based on the boss you have killed.
I can't see how unfair can be that.

[Sunarie]

You aren't punishing anyone with that system. You'll earn the same rewards that in a normal run. Is just based on the boss you have killed.
I can't see how unfair can be that.

It's not necessarily that it's unfair, but it's less incentive to click the "in progress" box. I think what others are trying to say is people aren't going to want to run for less tomes, so they'll be less likely to click the box and join an in progress.

But I think that it would be completely fair to base the reward on the time spent, isn't it?

I agree with adding an extra reward for helping others, but I don't like when that system is being exploited.
So they either need to change the way the rewards are granted, or implement some kind of penalty for those that intentionally "fish" for dungeons.

Just because something is fair doesn't mean people will use it. I think it's probably right to assume that a tank/healer who get a (near) instant queue most the time will go for whatever nets them the most tomes most of the time. So if you adjust the tomes, it will likely have a negative effect on those who lose a tank/healer during a dungeon.

That being said, they've already stated in one of the other threads on this topic that they will be introducing a penalty for people who constantly queue and withdraw immediately, and that they are fixing the bug that causes it to happen on it's own sometimes. I like that fix better than taking tomes away from people who queue to help. Even if that makes it equal, it's still less than what they can get now, so it is taking them away.

[Besbeset]

It's not necessarily that it's unfair, but it's less incentive to click the "in progress" box. I think what others are trying to say is people aren't going to want to run for less tomes, so they'll be less likely to click the box and join an in progress.

But I think that it would be completely fair to base the reward on the time spent, isn't it?

I agree with adding an extra reward for helping others, but I don't like when that system is being exploited.
So they either need to change the way the rewards are granted, or implement some kind of penalty for those that intentionally "fish" for dungeons.

[Odd]

And there was a post on the english forums. That had a Dev recognizing there was a problem of people withdrawing on endgame dungeons repeatedly, because they are trying to join a partially completed run. And that the new Duty Finder that comes with the 2.1 update, that it would no longer be possible to do. And that they weren't going to punish anybody who did, because there is a chance its not the players fault, and there is no way for them to know if it is,

I guess I missed that post even though I read the dev tracker every day! But I'm glad they're aware of it.

[Evangela]

Fine. Do not comeback and start "hard to find a replacement when we lost members in-progress" threads.

[Billie21]

Fine. Do not comeback and start "hard to find a replacement when we lost members in-progress" threads.

Isn't that already the case? I don't know about AK runs, but on dungeons before that, if tanks leaves before the end, it's faster to leave and re-queue than wait for a potential tank to join in progress that willl most likely not happen before the end of the dungeon (even as DPS).

I remember once running halatali as ACN, with another ACN as DPS. After the first batch of mobs, right at the start, even though it went smoothly, tank and heal both leave without a word for no appearant reason. We ended up finishing the whole dungeon 2 man team (with like 5 minutes to spare) while DF was looking for replacements that never came.

[Rednight]

Yeah... people who choose to join in-progress duties to help people who lost a member should be punished.

I don't see how you can consider not getting the full reward for NOT doing the full dungeon a punishment...

I know, every coin has two sides, and either way there will be people trying to abuse the system, but...

A few days ago my modem hooked up just as we started last boss fight in CM. By the time i reset everything and got back online, i was back in Gridania and got nothing out of that run. Also, chances are some other healer got the "join in progress" message, joined and watched the PT take down the boss from outside the locked area for the full 100 ToP...

I'm not complaining, sh## happens and ToP isn't hard to come by, but in my book getting full reward for little to no effort and no reward for d/c-ing at last boss is NOT fair...