What is 30 mind for a healer ?

[Hiro_Protagonist]

Last time i checked, you got 30 bonus points to allocate, PER JOB/CLASS not per character.

There's no question, it's per class not job. This isn't an issue for WHM but it is for SCH and SMN since they share a base class.

[Velox]

But remember guys, SE will be adding more jobs in the future, so this issue will affect every class eventually. Conjurer will probably get a DPS-focused job and be in the same boat with stat allocations.

In the end, it all will depend on which job you will favor more.....or if you're willing to spend 10k seals every week for re-allocations :P

[Matsume]

There's no question, it's per class not job. This isn't an issue for WHM but it is for SCH and SMN since they share a base class.

oh lol, guess im misread *derp*

[YuriRamona]

Not off topic, just reverse arguement of the OPs, and no less an issue. Ultimately it depends on how frequently you play each job, as both take a mild hit from picking a specific stat. Fortunately it is not incredibly detrimental at this stage of the game, though eventually that will become more and more pronounced.
I am a SCH so I'm a little biased, but I personally believe you get more out of the MND than you do the INT. This is because as an ACN, both jobs have inherently higher INT and receive INT bonus traits. Sure, you can pump that INT up even higher, but your MND then sits much weaker by comparison. It is also good to note that SMN still gets Physick, so emergency cures as SMN for whatever reason still have some mild potency from MND. SCH on the otherhand, gets absolutely 0 benefit from INT boosts.

Cleric Stance is the key point of SCH DPS as all SCH gear gives significant points of MND and no INT. All that MND gets swapped into INT during Cleric Stance, allowing SCHs to land significant DoTs, even though they spec in MND. Then in the event of an unexpected HP drop, they can drop the stance and land some higher Physics bringing people back up.

If you are still really unsure, just go 15/15. It is an even balance of both worlds and an even more miniscule drop in potency from either job.

30 of the primary stat is about the equivalent of upgrading 2-3 items from DL to AF+1 or Allagan; or 3-4 accessories.

If we consider those kinds of upgrades not significant, then sure, allocate your stats however you like.

If we do consider upgrading from ilvl 70 to 90 in multiple slots to be important, then you can't drop your stat allocation.

[CalvatE]

If you plan to go SCH then put your points into MND, not just because it's common sense but also common decency to the people you play with. If you intend to do any sort of higher content such as BC, every point matters.

[Rymis]

So has anyone actually tested the attribute points for SCH to see if there is a soft cap?

Because if there is then going full mind is a waste, you could just do put some in piety or int to fully get the benefits of the points.
It sucks that with full mind I heal 900+ with Physick and Lustrate for 1200-1400 (depending on tank) when WHM can heal 1400 on a normal Cure II <--- and thats a WHM with full DL and relic +1 (I have i90 head+body+gloves and +1 weapon)

[Delvish]

I'm at work so can't pull up my info right now, but anyone with a full DL (we'll use it as a standard for comparison) SCH and SMN want to post up their MND and INT to see what the difference in stats is? I'm fairly certain SCH MND will be comparable to SMN INT when spec'd into MND. Granted you will always do better when spec'd into the respective stat, but I believe that the innate INT bonus from ACN will compensate for loss when using MND.

[SeraviEdalborez]

I have not revisted this post I made on testing SCH heals in some time, but if you'd care for a read:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118...22#post5904422

tl;dr, assuming NQ relic weapon (since weapon damage has a presumably nonlinear effect on heal/MND), 1 MND is worth roughly

~1.775 - Physick (and probably Cure)
~1.31 - Adlo
~1.08 - Embrace
~0.61 - Succor
~0.31 - Whispering Dawn

[Mhaeric]

I'm at work so can't pull up my info right now, but anyone with a full DL (we'll use it as a standard for comparison) SCH and SMN want to post up their MND and INT to see what the difference in stats is? I'm fairly certain SCH MND will be comparable to SMN INT when spec'd into MND. Granted you will always do better when spec'd into the respective stat, but I believe that the innate INT bonus from ACN will compensate for loss when using MND.

Its slightly higher, but not 30 points.

Seeker of the Sun
30 points spent on MND
SCH - Full Darklight, +1 Omnilex, Strategos Ring. MND = 422 (Before 30 points spent = 392)
SMN - Full Darklight, Ifrit Grimoire, Demagogue Ring. INT = 390

I believe the difference between Ifrit Grimoire and The Veil of Wiyu +1 is about 13 INT, so that would put and identically geared SMN at 403 INT which is 11 points more than the SCH MND without the 30 points spent, and 19 points less than the SCH including those 30 points.

I'm of the camp that it is better to spend your 30 Arcanist points on MND, or at the very least 15/15, unless you never intend to play Scholar. Scholar gets way more out of the increase in that stat than Summoner gets out of intelligence. Scholar MND = better heals and better dps. Summoner INT = better dps. I also feel that heal checks are also less forgiving than dps checks, so you can get away with less INT moreso than you can get away with less mind, but that's more of a subjective call since skill plays a huge factor in checks.

[Nettle]

So has anyone actually tested the attribute points for SCH to see if there is a soft cap?

Because if there is then going full mind is a waste, you could just do put some in piety or int to fully get the benefits of the points.
It sucks that with full mind I heal 900+ with Physick and Lustrate for 1200-1400 (depending on tank) when WHM can heal 1400 on a normal Cure II <--- and thats a WHM with full DL and relic +1 (I have i90 head+body+gloves and +1 weapon)

You should be comparing Physick + Embrace to Cure I, and Adlo + Embrace to Cure II. It's not nearly as bad as you think it is (not bad at all really)