BEWARE of PUGing Turn 1! You could get trolled immensely and lose coil priviledges

[Edenholt]

I believe when a company plan the rules for their game they use their own values (the japanese int his case) as base to predict what plauers may or maynot do. It's just sad taht we westerns are so low. Since we can't keep a shame list on the official forums we should keep one on third party's forums. A big list divided by servers with names of players that do those kind of stuffs, with screenshots as proof of the crime s nobody will be able to deny it.

[Brises]

People who do this should be suspended for at least a week. They do it purely with malicious intent so it should be against the rules.

The problem is the proof. There is no way SE can know whether or not 8 people willingly entered a particular turn. Reporting is possible but that just becomes a "he said/she said", sort of thing. And SE would certainly prefer to address this through game mechanics rather than disciplining some of their paying customers.

The fact is, the solution is already in the game. If you have a full party and the party leader enters any other instance, you get the confirmation window. All they have to do is apply that to coil.

[Edenholt]

The problem is the proof. There is no way SE can know whether or not 8 people willingly entered a particular turn. Reporting is possible but that just becomes a "he said/she said", sort of thing. And SE would certainly prefer to address this through game mechanics rather than disciplining some of their paying customers.

What about the chat log?

[Brises]

What about the chat log?

In my experience, most game developers are not going to spend a lot of time investigating chat logs and disciplining players when the problem can be resolved through coding. They seriously don't want to alienate anyone unless it's absolutely necessary. they don't need to make coil accessible through df, but they can use the df code that already exists just to throw up a confirmation message. If a fix is that easy they aren't going to discipline anyone, and risk losing their money.

[amnie]

that's why you take screen shots of logs and put in the exact time of when something was said, which server it was said on and in which zone. (the first thing I do in a new MMO is turn on time stamps in chat)

[HumsterMKX]

Next time, when joining a PUG shout, ask. Take screenie of the reply.

Don't forget about your timezone and server. I used to translate my timezone to GMT/JP when submitting bug reports or issues

[Aureliami]

This is why you should only be locked to a turn when you kill a boss.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

Suggestions to SE: possible fixes.

1. Change UI.

• a confirmation prompt before entering. (requires 1 click, no mechanics change)
  (boss_status = "KILLED" OR "AVAILABLE")
  

  Do you want to enter dungeon_name Turn turn_#?
  boss_#1_name: boss_status
  boss_#2_name: boss_status
  …
  boss_#n_name: boss_status
  [YES] [NO]
• OR a simple message upon entering. (no click, visible for 10s, requires changing mechanics, see 2. below)
  (save_condition = "killing an enemy" OR "looting an item"
  

  You have entered dungeon_name Turn turn_#.
  boss_#1_name: boss_status
  boss_#2_name: boss_status
  …
  boss_#n_name: boss_status
  Progress will be saved upon save_condition in this dungeon.

2. Change mechanics.

• saving happens when you kill something in the dungeon.
• OR saving happens when you loot something in the dungeon.

—> I'm in favour of a simple message + a mechanic change (saving upon kill).

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Advice for all players.

1. Always screenshot conversations when you think you could need to report harrassment later on.
(with timestamps for easier reference)
This won't be submitted to GM's (screenshots can be altered and do not constitute proof, only logs do), but will help you submitting tickets, and describe or remember issues if a GM contacts you.

2. When you report something (bug) or someone (harassment, cheat) always provide:

• Date/time, ideally in server time (always specify the time reference regardless, such as "GMT" or "Server Time").
• Name of the subject (something or someone). Make no mistake! Again, a screenshot may help you.
• A clear and short description of the issue, to the point (don't tell your life and the weather, simply state the report reason).

3. Always avoid notifying a player that you reported him/her (or wish to do so).

• It would only put oil on fire,
• annoy the other player even more (or give him/her the satisfaction that his/her harassment actually worked),
• and could possibly win you more harassment until that person is dealt with by GM's (but if that didn't happen…).

4. Do not engage in further quarrel.

• Black-list that person if he/she is still annoying you.
• Let GM's deal with problems. Simply submit your report and move on with your life.