In Light of the WAR 2.1 Adjustments, Can We Expect Tweaks to PLD as Well? My Thoughts

[Maqaqa]

Everyone wants WAR to be able to participate in all content, but WAR's participation should not come at the cost of PLD's exclusion

Seriously! Id give you one week of what we had to swallow for three months.

No but really i think its a bit too early to ask for a PLD buff, isnt it?

Not sure if you are understimating PLD or overstimating a buff that has yet to be implemented, but you are overthinking and PLD will most probably be the tankier tank of the two, just not by an enormous amount.

[SwordCoheir]

Seriously! Id give you one week of what we had to swallow for three months.

Well if he was a 1.0 player that actually played like I have then he's payed his dues in spades. Little known fact to most of the 2.0 players is the situation WAR is in now is nothing to what PLD's sat through over a year when the jobs were introduced.

Anyways @ OP.

Shield Oath- I kind of agree it is a little lacking in the Enmity, it doesn't need anything special just a little boost to it.

Shield Swipe- The main issue with this ability is it shares the GCD, I'd rather it stay the same but moved to a normal non-GCD ability but still proc on blocking.

Tempered Will- Situational at best, but by far much more flexible than Holmgang. If I would add to this it would be to remove debuffs on yourself which more or less a one time Esuna.

Other than that I don't really think the changes are needed. People throw out the basic cooldowns but it seems like everyone forgets we have more mitigation tools than they let on, enhanced Awareness duration, Convalescence boost, Blind effect on Flash, Reduced physical damage from Halones STR down effect which are all distinct advantages over WAR in mitigation. If I had to claim one major difference though is PLD has less control when to use the mitigation as it's hard to predict when your going to block/parry/dodge.

[VahnValbosce]

Seriously! Id give you one week of what we had to swallow for three months.

No but really i think its a bit too early to ask for a PLD buff, isnt it?

Not sure if you are understimating PLD or overstimating a buff that has yet to be implemented, but you are overthinking and PLD will most probably be the tankier tank of the two, just not by an enormous amount.

@OP

Did you read that? Yea, WAR's went through hell for the first 2 months of this game. (And one more till 2.1 is released)
We deserve this and all these changes make us on par with PLD.

The new Tank comp to bring is now WAR/PLD

Tired of seeing PLDx2

[Krystalynn]

Seriously! Id give you one week of what we had to swallow for three months.

I see plenty of Warriors decked in Coil gear. Excluded from what content? Not like Duty Finder gives a fuck whether you're a War or Pal, and if an FC has been denying Warriors a role in their group for three months were they really worth your time? Right now you're proposing equaling another tanking role with absolutely nothing to compensate on a Paladin when they are not in that role. How many weeks do you think an FC is going to be happy with wiping on a damage-check phase like Extreme Titan Heart when they have a Warrior tank and a Paladin whacking away with it with pitiful Savage Blade Halone combos? Not long, believe it. Do you think this will be the last of checks like this? Look, I get it. Warriors should be able to tank, but being that much better at everything brought to the tank slot table is a bit extreme without looking at the literal chinks in the Paladin's armor.

[Marleytiva]

I see plenty of Warriors decked in Coil gear. Excluded from what content? Not like Duty Finder gives a fuck whether you're a War or Pal, and if an FC has been denying Warriors a role in their group for three months were they really worth your time? Right now you're proposing equaling another tanking role with absolutely nothing to compensate on a Paladin when they are not in that role. How many weeks do you think an FC is going to be happy with wiping on a damage-check phase like Extreme Titan Heart when they have a Warrior tank and a Paladin whacking away with it with pitiful Savage Blade Halone combos? Not long, believe it. Do you think this will be the last of checks like this? Look, I get it. Warriors should be able to tank, but being that much better at everything brought to the tank slot table is a bit extreme without looking at the literal chinks in the Paladin's armor.

All of my Warrior's Coil gear was obtained with my Paladin (every Warrior I know leveled one). It was just much easier on the rest of my group that I bite the bullet and level Paladin. You said yourself that they're (WAR) being equalized so why would Paladin need some kind of compensation? We already have Sword Oath and if we're off-tanking (I wouldn't use the Duty Finder though), I'll throw some different gear on and DD just like I did on my Warrior. The rest of your post is just more over-exaggeration.

Edit: Just read this real quick. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1321295

[Krystalynn]

All of my Warrior's Coil gear was obtained with my Paladin (every Warrior I know leveled one). It was just much easier on the rest of my group that I bite the bullet and level Paladin. You said yourself that they're (WAR) being equalized so why would Paladin need some kind of compensation? We already have Sword Oath and if we're off-tanking (I wouldn't use the Duty Finder though), I'll throw some different gear on and DD just like I did on my Warrior. The rest of your post is just more over-exaggeration.

Have you ever DPS parsed your damage on your Paladin versus your Warrior and compared their results? (Doubtful but since you call it an over-exaggeration I'm curious as to how you know.)

[darkvision]

Seriously! Id give you one week of what we had to swallow for three months.

No but really i think its a bit too early to ask for a PLD buff, isnt it?

i'd give you 1 week of what PLD had to suffer in 1.0 PLD in 1.0 could not do anything on PLD because PLD was useless, atleast WAR is viable as it is now if you know how to play it properlu in its current state instead of playing it with brain dead mentality

and actually the math the OP has done is closely similar to my own +/- .2% in each case.

with the planned changes WAR will essentially have a 2-5x higher enmity generation overall than what PLD would have. currently, with using same gear except weapons, WAR currently have a higher Enmity Generation by a small margin and increasing the enmity generation and giving PLD nothing would be wrong in soo meny ways since THERE IS NO ENMITY DEGRIGATION