Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Kolaina]

Bard is supposed to play songs, even if you google "Bard" you will find alot of folks with a guitar!. That should be their primary weapon. Why did SE thought it was better to give him a bow that dps like a sniper rifle, well, I don't know, they can do whatever they like, its their game after all, but that doesn't mean its well done.

if you take a look at my avatar it says "main class archer", and i am a bard. what kind of archer would i be if my main weapon was a guitar? i already pull my harp out when i play songs. am i supposed to shoot my arrows with my guitar strings?
tell me what you find when you google dragoon. then lets switch your lance to a sabre, have you on a mount 100% of the time, unable to progress the game due to having to demount to speak with npcs etc etc. the fact here is i am an archer first. my weapon is a bow. your misconceptions on what you think a bard should be in game is saddening.

[Lecreuset]

Danko stop assuming/theory crafting and get to coil turn 4 & 5. Those other ways you're talking about to replenish mp isn't nearly enough. Even a dragoon with an improved invigorate that rotates the cooldown properly runs out of TP. kthxbye

[Danko]

Danko stop assuming/theory crafting and get to coil turn 4 & 5. Those other ways you're talking about to replenish mp isn't nearly enough. Even a dragoon with an improved invigorate that rotates the cooldown properly runs out of TP. kthxbye

It is you that needs to stop assuming. ITT BC 1-4 is hard stuff! T1-4 is on faceroll status atm. Anyone that says you NEED a BRD to complete them is just talking out of their ass, regurgitating something that their friend's, friend's FC member said is the ONLY way to win.

The only turn even remotely relevant to this conversation is T5, and songs do add utility. I go BRD. I use them. But there's a huge difference between saying "songs have utility in this fight", vs "it is impossible to complete T5 without them." The first is true. The second is not.

If "those other ways to replenish mp isn't nearly enough" (lol), one ballad isn't saving you in the long run. But it's not just about the mages using MP restore items and abilities. Are your Tanks/DPS using high end HP restore items to take some of the pressure off? Are your DPS sheathing their weapons between every possible phase to restore tp faster? Is everyone using optimal HQ food? There are all kinds of ways to cut corners and increase efficiency.

There are FC's now that put two separate groups through t1-4 and then t5 inside of 2 hours total. Especially after this nerf of T5 and full i90s start tweaking the established strategies...it's only going to get easier.

If you are stacking BRDs and failing dps checks to have multiple songs...that could be your problem. Switching out to higher DPS (or not having your BRDs sing as much) might help you.

[Danko]

I would also like to reiterate that Yoshi P said zero things about BRD support being too strong, BRD silence being too strong, or even BRD DPS being too strong.

He said BRDs ability to ignore fight mechanics while maintaining their DPS ceiling on fights like Titan was just a little bit (and he made emphasis on just a little bit) too strong relative to melee DPS. The solution to which, imo, is not to nerf BRDs but to make QoL changes that make it easier for melee to DPS while dealing with fight mechanics.

Either way, I do not anticipate a DPS ceiling nerf for BRD. It would be foolish for them to do that.

BRD's DPS and utility are in a good place, balance wise. Not too weak, not too strong. BRDs add utility but are also perfectly replaceable. Songs add utility but cost DPS + MP, only last for a short duration, and are not overly powerful. BRD can be a competent DPS but falls behind other DPS of a similar skill and gear level, especially when singing or focusing on blunt arrow rotations.

There is a disparity that deserves a look during fights with unforgiving mechanics (although I disagree that a BRD nerf is the answer), but none of this stuff we've been debating lately is even related to that.

[Lecreuset]

No we're not stacking bards, and those MP restore items that give decent amounts have 5min cooldowns.
Sheathing weapons doesn't make you regen faster. It's being out of combat that does, pass me some of that shii you smoking brah.

Finish that Titan first, then show us a run t1-t5 without a bard. Mmkay, pumpkin?

[Danko]

Finish that Titan first, then show us a run t1-t5 without a bard. Mmkay, pumpkin?

lol. 10/10. Would lol again.

[Sefrah]

I for one welcome Bards being brought inline with everyone else, and breaking the 4 bard coil blocs. With the Warrior change, we might see something other than 2Pal/4Bard/Whm+Sch Coil Groups. Maybe this will also encourage bards to use their ballads. SERIOUSLY did you know until I read this thread I did not know bards had a song that restored TP, and I've been in coil to Turn 4 with a group that ran with 3 bards? And that group later replaced me with a 4th bard when I couldn't make their raid times due to work.

[NeonC]

Agreed with above, even more disturbing is the recent 8 bard groups ramming through end game content. Someone has to stop the madness!

[Lex_Luger]

lol. 10/10. Would lol again.

So would I. You have your achievements hidden. Have you even cleared titan? If you have, awesome, if you haven't, you don't belong in this thread.

[RyuDragnier]

I find it funny that everybody thinks that the nerf to Bard will be based in the power of any of our skills. If anything, the only thing that makes us OP in certain instances is the ability to attack while moving. All that takes is some moves having charge-ups or being unable to move during others. There, mobility problems fixed...because most of the time, a Bard isn't moving at all while attacking, just because there's nothing for us to dodge or avoid. As for the song stacking...they'll probably just make it so you can't double up on certain songs like Mage's Ballad. Only one of that song will be allowed to be up at any given time. For example, only 1 Army's Paeon, only 1 Mage's Ballad, and only 1 Foe's Requiem allowed on a group at the same time. Trying to throw on another of the same type will give an error sound with "Only one person can sing this song at a time."