Square please don't ruin the War

[Riyos]

Yeah i know that there's an identic thread but this thing must have more visibility. I'm really pissed of because of the recents updates. The War is going to be terribly overpowered, TERRIBLY. It's quite good as it is now, there's A LOT of people that have little/none problems with the war, tanking Titan, Caduceus, Twintania and other Coil bosses, but there's a lot of people who have problems too. Idiots that use the job for 1-2 days, thinks that it's like the PLD, see that there's something wrong, blaming the job instead of themselves and saying "oh this job is so weak, the pld is much better, square fix it pls". Here are the results, a war that is IDENTIC to the pld, but has more HP, auto heal and much more damage. And there are still people that say that it isnt' OP, it's ridiculous, serioulsy ridiculous. SE, please, PLEASE, don't ruin the war, don't make it a goddamn invincible terminator with the pld's mitigation and dd's dps. Thanks for reading and sorry for bad english

[Riyos]

Oh yeah, i'm a War, not a pissed of pld, keep it in mind

[Garnatian]

Yeah, they've made them overpowered, however PLDs were much better, but now WARs are, so at least the WAR get a chance to be.

[TaneshimaPopura]

I like Warrior but that doesn't make me blind on issues which are glaringly obvious that Paladins are superior for currently available content. I would pay the price of a Ferrari to drive a Porsche but there is a limit into making me pay the price of a Ferrari and drive a Celica. That is where I cut the fine line between feasibility of play.

This changes sure they will make warrior the better tank. But it will not swap Paladin's position to where Warrior is currently at where these changes makes Paladin incapable of doing any content in either MT or ST roles. Because they have already perform both roles before this change hits.

[Riyos]

Yeah, they've made them overpowered, however PLDs were much better, but now WARs are, so at least the WAR get a chance to be.

They were better yes, but not much better. The difference between pld and war isn't that big as many think. The war is simply harder to use, and there's a lot of people that use it bad. In good hands a war is strong as a pld.

[symba]

They were better yes, but not much better. The difference between pld and war isn't that big as many think. The war is simply harder to use, and there's a lot of people that use it bad. In good hands a war is strong as a pld.

lol. you're funny.

[Kettle]

Please enlighten us, with maths, as to how the proposed changes would possibly make a warrior an 'invincible terminator with the pld's mitigation and dd's dps'.

[PessimiStick]

These changes *probably* make WAR marginally better than PLD. Which is fine. It's really hard to have things be completely balanced. Considering the previous setup where PLD was flatly superior on anything resembling hard content, I think the situation in 2.1 is greatly preferable. PLDs have a slight bonus to incoming heals, block, slightly stronger cooldowns (40% vs. 30%, HG keeping you at your max HP vs. new Holmgang, Convalescence trait, etc.), and their debuff is on their main threat tool. WAR has a slight damage advantage, and it looks like slightly more versatile DR cooldowns now. (IB will be available almost any time you'd want to have it)

[Trematode]

This is not going to make us OP'ed ffs.. stop whining, this is just bringing us on par with PLD's

[Leiron]

Don't forget Paladns get access to stone skin and WAR does not.