Highly Notorious Monsters

[Doo]

Competition scares a lot of players. Handouts are the best way to handle gear.

[Steeled]

Competition scares a lot of players.

Oh whatever, paying real life money for a program to claim wasn't competition. Some of the bot programs were charging thousands of dollars for a server-exclusive license so that you wouldn't be facing some other group with the same software. Although buying the software was no different than obtaining an alternative for free. It was doing for groups what they didn't have the confidence to do themselves.

It was cheating. Fair competition scared those people.

Dragging flies through fafnir so he spun and tail swiped wasn't competition.

It was being a dbag.

[ThePatriarch]

Oh whatever, paying real life money for a program to claim wasn't competition.

It was cheating.

Dragging flies through fafnir so he spun and tail swiped wasn't competition.

It was being a dbag.

How about, ZNM

Forced pop NM's (Alky, Sky Gods, etc)

Regular ground NM/HNM... Leaping Lizzy, Valkurm Emperor, etc etc (low spawn time/low drop rate)

Open world content could add so much to this game, outside of the standardized purely instanced game it is shaping to be.

Outside of fates, the open world has literally no meaning. Wandering around these beautiful maps, with nothing to do in them outside of level up.

[Welsper59]

How about, ZNM

Forced pop NM's (Alky, Sky Gods, etc)

Regular ground NM/HNM... Leaping Lizzy, Valkurm Emperor, etc etc (low spawn time/low drop rate)

Open world content could add so much to this game, outside of the standardized purely instanced game it is shaping to be.

Outside of fates, the open world has literally no meaning. Wandering around these beautiful maps, with nothing to do in them outside of level up.

These points are a lot more meaningful than starting off with just mentioning HNMs. Think of it from the perspective of when us FFXI players first started. Remember hearing about the possible benefits of killing NMs? Remember your first encounter with an NM? Thinking "weird, this monster has an odd name to it" and not even knowing what was in store (usually an unexpected death if it wasn't significantly lower level). We weren't started off with HNMs and what gear we can get from racing to endgame. The allure began from the fact we could come across special rare monsters at a point when we didn't care about numbers/gear, just the thrill of content (adventure).

[Gilthas]

Competition scares a lot of players. Handouts are the best way to handle gear.

Want some real competition? Do PVP.

Claim wars is a crap game mechanic where 1 player (or their party) gets to experience content while everyone else that lost claim gets to have wasted their time.

That's the point of a claim system someones gotta lose and waste time. Not everyone gets a cookie. If you can't handle you could always craft enough money to buy it.

P.S Video games are a waste of time.

P.P.S Claim system is over a decade old in ffxi, it can be improve dramatically.

*rolls eyes*

Lets compare actual PVP with claim wars:

- In PVP all parties experience content.

- In claim wars only the party that wins claim gets to experience content.

This is why claim wars are a crap mechanic. I want to actually play the game.

For the guy that actually posted an argument with thought behind it:

- I have zero issues with stuff like Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage, Nyzul, Einherjar. I also have zero issues with stuff taking a lot of effort (time really) to obtain.

But camping NM/HNMs? **** that crap. I probably spent more of my FFXI endgame career camping stuff than actually fighting stuff.

[ThePatriarch]

Want some real competition? Do PVP.

Claim wars is a crap game mechanic where 1 player (or their party) gets to experience content while everyone else that lost claim gets to have wasted their time.

PvP has never had any significance in the prior MMO made by SE. I do hope that changes in this game, but my breath is held. We all remember ballista. Fun, but nothing great.

And I do appreciate your empty statement about claim wars. First time I think anyone has brought it up. None of us want it either.



But on the topic of NMs (in a sense), how about the items that came with it? A lot of these drops were very rare, as many of us have stated. Although we don't want to redo some of the fights that dropped said items, just how rare were they?

Lets say 2005-2006. You saw someone wearing a crafted haubergeon (which was worth some bucks back then!), it was pretty cool. They obviously crafted and worked hard to get one. Now lets say you saw someone walking around in an Armada Hauberk... On most servers, you could count the amount of people who had one on one hand. Same goes for items like Defending Ring, and some relics. Items back then had significant value, and awe factor. Relics in FFXI were incredible, and made most of us stop and stare. IMO, that is how a relic should be.

In FFXIV, a relic is a toy you can get in about 4 hours (pending you have tomes stacked up beforehand). Right now, the hardest set of items to get is Allagan right? How hard are those items to get? When you see someone standing in a piece of allagan is it very impressive? Yeah, but its nothing in comparison to items in FFXI. The amount of work put in to get almost every item in FFXIV can be counted in days, as compared to XIV's older brother where you put in copious amounts of work to get your shiny item, and it held its "awesomeness" for months, years really. This is something I believe FFXIV severely lacks. Everyone has the same items. We all wear the same gear. Adversity among gear is just terrible in this game. Outside of allagan weapons, there are no items that give you that epic feeling of achievement.

Albeit, we all know where the MMO crowd is going. Putting in hard work to get specific pieces of gear is seemingly a thing of the past. Anything past a couple days of working towards a specific item is quite frowned upon, and we should all be able to wear the same gear because the people new to this game shouldn't be left out right? Why can we not have a very limited set of content aimed at people who don't mind putting in the extra effort, possibly over a period of a few months (weeks maybe, months scare people). ZNM progress comes to mind here, going for drops from the T4 Mobs, and then taking a stab at PW. How about, Einherjar? That's instanced!!!! Odin had great drops, many of which were quite rare.

In the end I think it once again boils down to just plain old "we need more content". I just like to think that there may be a little content for the ones of us who enjoyed FFXI's content (Dynamis/Limbus/Ein/Kings/world NMs, see the SS below/etc/yada/ramble)

And yes, I know, camping sucked, losing sucked, but feel free to go ahead and tell me again.

[Doo]

Want some real competition? Do PVP.

Claim wars is a crap game mechanic where 1 player (or their party) gets to experience content while everyone else that lost claim gets to have wasted their time.

That's the point of a claim system someones gotta lose and waste time. Not everyone gets a cookie. If you can't handle you could always craft enough money to buy it.

P.S Video games are a waste of time.

P.P.S Claim system is over a decade old in ffxi, it can be improve dramatically.

[ThePatriarch]

That's the point of a claim system someones gotta lose and waste time. Not everyone gets a cookie. If you can't handle you could always craft enough money to buy it.

P.S Video games are a waste of time.

P.P.S Claim system is over a decade old in ffxi, it can be improve dramatically.

Absolutely, no argument there. Well, aside from video games being a waste of time, lol. Perspective, my friend!

The claim system from XI is old, out-dated, and in desperate need of overhaul. I would love to see a different system in XIV if they did indeed provide us with a little bit of open world content. Maybe Initial party claims, and they can obtain the main drop. But lets say outside parties could fight and assist and get sub-tier drops (low drop rate ofc). Or who knows, there are 100 different ways to allow a claiming system that allows outside help, drops to more than the initial claim PT, etc etc.

Say main PT has "need" option, when outside help could only greed? I'm just throwing out random ideas. But alas, if we had forced pop NMs, (i.e. trigger popped) there wouldn't be an issue with outside claim, because you are popping your own monsters that you worked/farmed hard for.

Yada yada, there are so many alternatives that could be used as compared to the methods used in XI for open world spawns. They just need to be discussed! Who knows, open world NM's may be brought to the game, they may not be. But judging by the developers responses in my prior thread, we can atleast tell that they were interested in what we had to say. Why not give them ideas, suggested by the community for content that we would like to see brought into the game under certain circumstances. XI laid some great groundwork down, and can easily be built upon and bring boatloads of awesome content to XIV. XIV has a promising future to it, I just like to know that we as a playerbase threw as many ideas out there in hope of more content for our enjoyment.

[Doo]

Yada yada, there are so many alternatives that could be used as compared to the methods used in XI for open world spawns. They just need to be discussed.

Pretty much. Seems like the main concern players have are "bots" or "claim wars". FFXI systems are a decade old they could definitely improve upon them. Putting everything in Fate and making items worthless isn't the way imo. We already know how fun Odin and Behemoth fates are. I could barely see anything fighting Odin and it almost gave me a seizure.

[Babydoll]

Pretty much. Seems like the main concern players have are "bots" or "claim wars". FFXI systems are a decade old they could definitely improve upon them. Putting everything in Fate and making items worthless isn't the way imo. We already know how fun Odin and Behemoth fates are. I could barely see anything fighting Odin and it almost gave me a seizure.

Yeah there are solutions for that. Also people who freak out about RMT...I think someone said it earlier but Bind on Pickup fixes that for the most part. If people don't want the claim system...they could always have us do FATES for GC seals..and then use them to buy pop items to fight our NM/HNM in the open world. I dunno, just an idea ^^;

Fighting Odin and Behemoth in this game is really, really pathetic imo. It's like..really, this is what they've been reduced to? Some of the most scary and difficult fights in the FF series are now nothing more then a spam fest...and that is if your lucky enough to even see it.