Dear Healers that don't DPS in dungeons

[Tanaya]

The only sense you made is you believe DPS in dungeons doesn't matter (which is false), and this somehow correlates to one's performance in Coil (which is false).

The funny part is you can also DPS in Coil, particularly in T4 when a WHM can use Holy for Spider kills, and a SCH can cast DoTs on the Phase 2 Clockwork Soldiers then Bane spread it. My static does it all the time and we never wipe because of it.

In other words, you don't make any sense because you're outright wrong. And you should stop being ignorant to anyone but your own playstyle.

[Toystore]

Go back and read it again. One of the points was that there was no correlation between DPSing in dungeons and healing in progression.

[Whippet]

Thank you for that insightful comment. Clearly this game deserves healers like you. I'll be playing progression raiding in something where my value is not insulted by how well I don't heal.

Healing doesn't take practice, you practice with the dungeon environnment

Knowing to heal in AK won't make you a better healer in Turn 5

Knowing turn 5 pattern will make you a better healer in turn 5

[Toystore]

Similarly knowing to DPS in AK won't make you a better healer in Turn 5.
Knowing turn 5 pattern will make you a better healer in turn 5, and a better healer period, regardless of what you choose to do in AK.

[Ghishlain]

I don't get why this argument is still going on.

A healer who DPS' during an instance =/= do not know or understand their role
A healer who doesn't DPS during an instance =/= they are a bad healer, they are a perfectly capable healer who doesn't go up and beyond their role in an instance

In the same token:

A healer who DPS in an instance can be a HORRENDOUS healer because they have tunnel vision about their DPS and forget to, you know, heal. These are incredibly bad healer, but you cannot generalize all healers that DPS in an instance in this category. That's factually false. Some of us know how to balance the two properly and play both effectively.

A healer who doesn't DPS in an instance isn't a horrendous healer either. They are doing the role given to them and doing it effectively and efficiently. Can they give added value to the party by DPSing? Sure, of course, but this is their designated role in a standard DF setup and should be their first priority. Anything BEYOND that is supposed to be beyond their scope.

The key thing about a healer is to have the situational awareness and adaptability to determine what is the best course of action for them. Make decisions based on the composition you get, whether it be a static, shout PUG, or DF PUG, etc.

[Tanaya]

Go back and read it again. One of the points was that there was no correlation between DPSing in dungeons and healing in progression.

Which is why your point makes no sense, because no one has been stating otherwise. You're the only poster here who brought up Twintania, or Coil in general.

EDIT: So what are you actually trying to say? That what a healer does in AK/WP doesn't matter because it's trivial content?

[Toystore]

People have made the point that a good healer is one who DPSes in dungeons. That is assumed to be stating otherwise by virtue of the metric chosen to judge what a good healer is. It requires there to be a correlation to DPSing in dungeons and true skill in healing progression content, because no one in their right mind is going to argue the latter is not a more important metric by which to judge a good healer. If they are discrete metrics, which is the final possibility I addressed in the first post on this argument, then one being trivial and one not being trivial means the progression metric will always hold more weight than what you decide to do in AK.

And finally, to address the possibility of them being analog states, I differentiated between the skill levels of someone who is typically in the .01% of progression content versus someone who is in the top 10% to prove that skill metric is on a gradient. The cream of the crop on a non trivial metric will always be more valuable than the cream of the crop on a trivial metric, assuming they are not objective based or analog metrics.

Need more cliffnotes? For being the arbiters of what healing skill is (or rather what healing skill is NOT, like DPS), I just assumed my audience was versed enough in this stuff.

[Tanaya]

A good dps healer in AK/WP is not better than a good non-dps healer in Coil.

Paraphrased for those who did not understand that useless dribble.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Similarly knowing to DPS in AK won't make you a better healer in Turn 5.
Knowing turn 5 pattern will make you a better healer in turn 5, and a better healer period, regardless of what you choose to do in AK.

Actually, it will. Though of course in combination with actually knowing the pattern.

Think about it. When does a (good) healer DPS in trivial content? When they know there's a period where the tank won't get instantly slaughtered by mobs. That takes a degree of situational awareness. It's about "what can I get away with DPSing for 2-3 GCDs?" Replace DPSing with doing literally anything else. Stoneskin, Esuna/Leeches, curing up a non-tank.

This is absolutely a skill that is used in other areas. This fallacy that DPSing is the only thing you're doing when the tank doesn't need a heal is hilarious. That's just one thing you can do. Recognizing the times you don't have to wait for the pistol to start sprinting DOES make you a better healer.

[sharazisspecial]

Actually, it will. Though of course in combination with actually knowing the pattern.

Think about it. When does a (good) healer DPS in trivial content? When they know there's a period where the tank won't get instantly slaughtered by mobs. That takes a degree of situational awareness. It's about "what can I get away with DPSing for 2-3 GCDs?" Replace DPSing with doing literally anything else. Stoneskin, Esuna/Leeches, curing up a non-tank.

This is absolutely a skill that is used in other areas. This fallacy that DPSing is the only thing you're doing when the tank doesn't need a heal is hilarious. That's just one thing you can do. Recognizing the times you don't have to wait for the pistol to start sprinting DOES make you a better healer.

Too bad this skill is useless in coil where you will be spam healing tank.