Could MRD Possible Be The Best Melee DPS Class ? (Theory Crathing)

[Gamemako]

Care to explain how that equates to 1.125?

Defiance reduces damage by 25%, and enmity is damage-based. This means that your enmity is effectively decreased by 25%, then multiplied by 1.5, resulting in 0.75*1.5=1.125.

[Dhex]

Care to explain how that equates to 1.125?

Lets say I do my three hit combo and do 100, 200, and 300 damage on the three hits.

100 x 1 = 100
200 x 3 = 600
300 x 5 = 1500
= 2200 threat generated

Same numbers with Defiance

100 x 1 x 1.5 = 150
200 x 3 x 1.5 = 900
300 x 5 x 1.5 = 2250
= 3300 threat generated

3300 / 2200 = 1.5

I'm not seeing how you get that number.

You didn't lower your damage output by 25%.

100 x 1 = 100
200 x 3 = 600
300 x 5 = 1500
= 2200 threat generated

Same numbers with Defiance

100 - (100 x .25) x 1 x 1.5 = 112.5
200 - (200 x .25) x 3 x 1.5 = 675
300 - (300 x .25) x 5 x 1.5 = 1687.5
= 2640

2475/2200

1.125

[Calib0s]

Care to explain how that equates to 1.125?

I'm not seeing how you get that number.

You are neglecting the damage penalty on Defiance.

[Tiggy]

So I have!

125 x 1 = 125
250 x 3 = 750
375 x 5 = 1878
= 2750 threat generated

Same numbers with Defiance

100 x 1 x 1.5 = 150
200 x 3 x 1.5 = 900
300 x 5 x 1.5 = 2250
= 3300 threat generated

3300 threat to 2750 threat.

I'm not sure where you are getting the numbers from, but assuming a 1.5x rate with Defiance then it still gets more threat than not using Defiance.

[ZDamned]

I find it considerably easier to hold hate against well geared DPS with Defiance on than without.

This sentence right here is in itself saying you have problems holding hate without defiance, and without losing hate, how would you find it easier to hold in defiance? If you are also saying your party agrees with you, that implies they pulled hate from you too. I didn't criticize you at all, I just spoke base don what you mentioned, without even directly saying you were playing badly, or unable to do your job. YOU are the one who took it as an attack, and I think you need to just re-read what I posted to see how I wasn't in any way insulting you. All I did was suggest a way to test and see for yourself how Enmity is not what many people say ti is on theese forums. From experience the 3X and 5X from Skull Sunder and Butchers Block, are WAY over estimated, and feel completely wrong.

In fact, I'm going to make a totally separate thread about it today when I do in depth testing with a parser. I know I can hit with BB for ~400 give or take in defiance. So, if Defiance is 2X or even 1.5X On top of the 5X, that should give me from Butchers Block alone, a minimum of 3000 Damage worth of Threat, or at best 4000 Damage worth of threat. Which would basically say all I should ever need per mob is That and Skull Sunder to hold it for it's entire life span, FROM 1 SINGLE Damage Dealer focusing it, and I know for a fact that that is NEVER the case.

[Calib0s]

3300 threat to 2750 threat is still, guest what, more threat with Defiance.

Indeed, it is more. And yet it isn't enough more that I can freely use BB combos when I DPS, which is the relevant point here.

[Tiggy]

This sentence right here is in itself saying you have problems holding hate without defiance, and without losing hate, how would you find it easier to hold in defiance?

No it was a statement about seeing enough movement on the bar to notice a difference. It is not a tacit admission that I was incapable or was having a challenging time holding hate. Those are your assumptions based off the littlest amount of info. Please don't read between the lines just trying to put me down. That isn't beneficial to the discussion.

[Bixby]

So I have!

125 x 1 = 125
250 x 3 = 750
375 x 5 = 1878
= 2750 threat generated

Same numbers with Defiance

100 x 1 x 1.5 = 150
200 x 3 x 1.5 = 900
300 x 5 x 1.5 = 2250
= 3300 threat generated

3300 threat to 2750 threat is still, guest what, more threat with Defiance.

You're doing math backwards. If you hit for 125 outside of defiance, you'd hit for 93.75 (125 * .75) in it. If you hit for 100 in Defiance, you'd hit for 133.33 (100 / .75) outside of it.

Using your original numbers, it's 2200 (no Defiance) vs. 2475 (3300 * .75, with Defiance) threat.

[Derza]

So I have!

125 x 1 = 125
250 x 3 = 750
375 x 5 = 1878
= 2750 threat generated

Same numbers with Defiance

100 x 1 x 1.5 = 150
200 x 3 x 1.5 = 900
300 x 5 x 1.5 = 2250
= 3300 threat generated

3300 threat to 2750 threat.

I'm not sure where you are getting the numbers from, but assuming a 1.5x rate with Defiance then it still gets more threat than not using Defiance.

Eh your math is off... 125 damage with -25% damage from defiance is not 100 damage... its 125x.75 = 93.75... so all your numbers are off.

EDIT: Someone beat me to it!

[ZDamned]

No it was a statement about seeing enough movement on the bar to notice a difference. It is not a tacit admission that I was incapable or was having a challenging time holding hate. Those are your assumptions based off the littlest amount of info. Please don't read between the lines just trying to put me down. That isn't beneficial to the discussion.

I never tried to put you down! Stop looking at it like I'm attacking you... I only suggested trying strength and made a blanket statement that Warriors (Not you specifically, but all warriors) have a harder time holding threat in full Vitality.