Issues with Coil: Statics v. The Rest of Us

[Argent_Wings]

Did it not occur to you that there is a big disparity between skilled players and unskilled players and that we'd rather see them helped instead of leaving the game?

Exactly. No one looks at the bigger picture. If the unskilled people left, then none of the "skilled" players would be the special snowflakes they think they are right now since the only ones left would be everyone who is as good as they are with the same(if not better)equipment available.

You guys who don't want to help the less fortunate still need that half of the player base by which to measure the value of your own accomplishments, you know. Maybe you should clue in on that.

[firepixiedarien]

Exactly. No one looks at the bigger picture. If the unskilled people left, then none of the "skilled" players would be the special snowflakes they think they are right now since the only ones left would be everyone who is as good as they are with the same(if not better)equipment available.

You guys who don't want to help the less fortunate still need that half of the player base by which to measure the value of your own accomplishments, you know. Maybe you should clue in on that.

Let's get one thing straight here, no one should be forced to help anyone. Likewise, Ronald's way of thinking (that other players work for their gear instead of us handing it to them) should not be forced on anyone.

If Loot Lockouts were implemented, me and Ronald would NOT be forced to help out other people. The difference is one of us in that situation would WILLINGLY choose to do so.

In the current state of the game, I am shoehorned into Ronald's way of thinking.

[Argent_Wings]

My post was less about whether or not someone should be forced to help and more that the "haves and have nots" attitude all over this thread makes no sense when it's the "have nots" that make the "haves" feel like anything they accomplish is worth bragging about.

It would do both sides a great service to show a little more solidarity instead of treating everything as a "My FC vs the world" competition. The lockout is a silly feature as is the decision not to allow BC as part of the DF.

[beforethechasm]

I like my fc and would prefer to stay with them but it seems there's no room for me in any of the statics so I'm going to leave them.

Not only that, it seems to have fostered cliques (coil statics vs rest of the fc) and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

[Casper]

I have a job and family and can only play at night for about 3 hours, I have time for a static coil party. Most of my static party has the same issues and they live in different time zones. If we can do it on our different time schedules, anyone can.

This answer is full of bullshit, no other way to put it.

We raid twice a week. I said we have all about 90% attendance, so it means we all are here 9 times over 10. So we miss about once raid every 5 weeks. Can you honestly tell me that it never, ever happens to you to have a social event from work/friends coming over/deadline making you stay late/only evening in a while you can spend with your wife/gf ? I do try to push these around when i can, but when i can't, you better believe i'm going to pick my wife/job over my raiding time, and i don't think that is showing lack of dedication.

Nonetheless, if everyone miss one raid in 10 (as said super low miss rate if you are no more in college), then you will have to pug at least 1 people like 75% of the time.

[Rivienne]

I would propose that as a solution to this entire problem: no gear is dropped if you queue with the DF. Think of it as a teaching mode version. You could queue as many times as you wanted, and go as high as you wanted, independent of your lockout. Even if you queue with a full party. But if you go through the normal way then existing rules apply and gear does drop.

Why? Because then you could run a team multiple times including teaching groups without worrying about the rest. this would provide a mechanism for everybody to learn and practice, without statics. Then once you were experienced, you could pug for groups missing a person or be ready to join an FC static if it works out.

For some people this would still mean never getting gear. But that is the same as it is now, and at least they could experience the content. Which from my perspective is more important since there will be future ways to get alternate gear, just like there is at every other level of the game up to Coil.

Why restrict the loot? The only difference between playing the shout spam game in one zone and using the DF is that the DF pulls from more than just the zone you're in and more than just the interested players on your own server.

It's already going to be a bit challenging once you get in because you couldn't static through DF unless you formed a full party on your own server, in which case, you'd just enter BC as you normally would and wouldn't even need the DF approach. Why remove the reward in the situation of a potentially more difficult challenge?

The only difference? No there are many differences. Shout spam involves "are you are geared as I want", "are you experienced" "are you the class I want".

DF will accept anyone with the minimum gear requirements the devs determine, not some random pug etc, and will accept all classes, not just the ones the one that party leader likes.

It also draws from a larger pool, meaning a much greater chance of finding a group (also of other people who can't find a static).

By removing loot you also remove the element of those would abuse the DF for speed running for gear, which again will make it impossible for new players to actually learn the content.

And because there is no loot dropped, would allow for running unlimited times. It wouldn't have a reason to lock you out. Making it possible for FCs to have training runs with fully formed parties. But anyway.

I think the real problem is the lockout. But without the lockout, people can max gear in no time which clearly SE doesn't want. So...

[Seig345]

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Why restrict the loot? The only difference between playing the shout spam game in one zone and using the DF is that the DF pulls from more than just the zone you're in and more than just the interested players on your own server.

It's already going to be a bit challenging once you get in because you couldn't static through DF unless you formed a full party on your own server, in which case, you'd just enter BC as you normally would and wouldn't even need the DF approach. Why remove the reward in the situation of a potentially more difficult challenge?

[Kosmos992k]

I like my fc and would prefer to stay with them but it seems there's no room for me in any of the statics so I'm going to leave them.

Not only that, it seems to have fostered cliques (coil statics vs rest of the fc) and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I'm sure that someone will have a good laugh over this, but I am gonna post it just the same...

Just the acquisition of relics has fostered cliques in my FC, I haven't got my relic yet, and I feel excluded and left behind/left out in my own Free Company - and I am the leader. now, I recognize that I don't have as much playing time as others in the free Company, so I know that there are limits to how quickly I can achieve things, but since hitting lvl 50 I feel like I have hit a glass ceiling.

The whole end-game in FFXIV is fundamentally flawed in my opinion. It feels like it is effectively unattainable for anyone not willing to grind out for hours a day to obtain DL gear, and once established groups form statics, it becomes even harder to break into end-game play. Some of the things said sound like elitism about gear and some sound like people saying they don't want noobs on the team. What it amounts to is feeling like there's no room for you in the end-game, and as those cliques proceed through other content and obtain even better gear, the disparity between them and the others only increases making the separation between the statics and everyone else even harder to bridge.

I've essentially given up on even obtaining my relic anytime soon, and that's despite having 20+ people in the FC who have already completed their relic quests (some more than once).

[EikoCeuracanth]

I'm sorry but quit crying and recruit. It's that simple. Find the people to form a static Coil group or pug those are your options. It's the way MMOs have been forever.

[Ronald]

Exactly. No one looks at the bigger picture. If the unskilled people left, then none of the "skilled" players would be the special snowflakes they think they are right now since the only ones left would be everyone who is as good as they are with the same(if not better)equipment available.

You guys who don't want to help the less fortunate still need that half of the player base by which to measure the value of your own accomplishments, you know. Maybe you should clue in on that.

There was no comparing being done on my side to the less skilled. What YOU should clue in on is the fact that the sense of entitlement that the less fortunate give off and people like you who think we have an OBLIGATION to do charity work. If people want to help then power to them but if not then mind your business and don't hound them. This is not elitism, this is a simple concept that has been present for a thousand years.