Crafting jobs too easy to level to 50

[Raskbuck]

Talk the talk, but stop BSing the walk.

I don't get why you're invalidating my opinion by telling me it's BS talk. You do realize I can do the same for you too, right? Crafting AF can be made with little to no cost if you craft it yourself, gathering everything you need for it (shards included). It will obviously be expensive if you buy everything from the Market Board (assuming that's the case).

God forbid people for actually investing something in their character. Yes, I won't deny gearing my Weaver (first crafting job) seemed hard at first, but once you start opening your options you will realize it's not as hard as it seems. In fact, my Alchemist and Armorer even gave me a 20-30k profit with the leves gil reward as I was leveling them. If you're having trouble with costs, talk with gatherers so that they can provide you some of the materials, or take one or more of the Disciplines of the Land to 50 yourself.

So I'll say it again. Don't accuse me from saying it's BS talk and invalidate my whole opinion just because you find it expensive and/or difficult.

People have the potential to level their DoH to 50 in one or two days, and then may come to the realization crafters won't play a great role in the grand scheme of things, especially since most equipment will be dungeon-dropped. The supply is already too big on most items; have you noticed that the items that sell the most are either leve items or crafting equipment? And besides, people have little to no incentive to purchase HQ equipment since they will outlevel it in a single day. Vanya and Darksteel are just used as a trampoline for Allagan or the Tomes of Mythology equipment, and we still don't know if the addition of Crystal Tower will expand our recipe list to make item level 80+.

Do you see what I'm talking about? Listen, I think it's great that people take their time to level and focus on building a community. I believe being a crafter is about all that, too. However, we can't deny there's a problem out there about the speed people are devouring the content; whether it is DoH, DoL or combat classes.

I'm sorry if I offended you by saying it's easy, I don't pretend to antagonize you and say your hard work was for naught. Unfortunately not everyone thinks like that, and I'm talking from my experience and the one I've seen in my crafting LS.

[Ksenia]

The point is, leveling is a bit too easy with the current system. We've reached a point where you can HQ a two-stars recipe with your eyes closed if you have the necessary skills. It trivializes the content and provide little challenge once you get the hang of it.

And I said before, go to a new server and try it with no Legacy glut, no 50 gathering classes throwing mats away. There was a reason Square locked us on Legacy servers.
According to what you say, you should be able to do it in your spare time in a matter of a few weeks.

You still don't seem to appreciate that while your case might have seemed "easy" someone did the grind and there is plenty of it to do. You managed to avoid it but it wasn't the system, it was the circumstance.

[Raskbuck]

And I said before, go to a new server and try it with no Legacy glut, no 50 gathering classes throwing mats away. There was a reason Square locked us on Legacy servers.
According to what you say, you should be able to do it in your spare time in a matter of a few weeks.

You still don't seem to appreciate that while your case might have seemed "easy" someone did the grind and there is plenty of it to do. You managed to avoid it but it wasn't the system, it was the circumstance.

... Leviathan is not a legacy server, and I spent most of my free time on crafting and gathering. Again, more assumptions.
Here's my character if you don't believe me: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2252962/

Just because you like to take your time leveling it doesn't mean it isn't easy. If anything, crafting is even simpler right now with the abundance of materials in the market. Want Pudding Flesh? It's there. Need Wyvern Obsidian? You can buy 99 of them for 1 gil each (in Leviathan, at least).

You and I have clearly different perceptions about it, and I hate to break it to you, but both of our opinions are just as valid. I still think there is a problem if people have been maxing everything within weeks, and discussing things here won't change anything at all.

Thank you for thinking I come from a Legacy server though. I will take that as a compliment.

[Ksenia]

Talk, talk, talk, Raskbuck.

You knew it was "easy" after the first 50, you knew it was "easy" when you got the second 50. You didn't come to the forum to cry a bloo bloo until you had all your ducks in a row and had all 8 craft classes to 50 did you? Now you want Square to make you important by way of Nerf.

Your timing is just a little off.

[Raskbuck]

Talk, talk, talk, Raskbuck.

You knew it was "easy" after the first 50, you knew it was "easy" when you got the second 50. You didn't come to the forum to cry a bloo bloo until you had all your ducks in a row and had all 8 craft classes to 50 did you? Now you want Square to make you important by way of Nerf.

Your timing is just a little off.

I'm afraid that doesn't make your arguments stronger, but you're free to believe what you please.

[Vortok]

go to a new server and try it with no Legacy glut, no 50 gathering classes throwing mats away.

I'm on one of those non legacy servers. The market is flooded with ilvl 70 gear and numerous people spamming they're buying tomes in Mor Dhona. They're trying to buy 5k under market value now because they realized the market is flooded, so buying tomes at market value when the prices are starting to hit a freefall isn't the smartest move.

There have been people shout spamming any craft since about a month after launch, and they had several crafts at 50 before that. Not being legacy wasn't really that big of a roadblock for anybody that was actually going to craft a lot (aka, the vast majority of people who are going to sell the one and two star items).

There's nothing interesting to craft anymore. It was fun while leveling while I was still unlocking abilities (which is why I leveled crafting classes - I found the crafting system enjoyable) and couldn't guarantee success, but it's so easy to HQ any item in the game (even for people without 8 50s) that it's a bit boring when you get to the end. Just like doing AK/CM in Darklight, crafters have stats that are way overpowered for the content they're doing.

Quality bar on finished products could stand to be expanded by 50% or so (maybe even up to 100% increase), so that starting with HQ mats would actually matter. As is, Gatherers are better off getting a guaranteed 25 items a node from the 50 star nodes rather than attempt to get HQ mats, because the HQ mats sell slower and are essentially pointless.

[Jedediah]

Talk, talk, talk, Raskbuck.

You knew it was "easy" after the first 50, you knew it was "easy" when you got the second 50. You didn't come to the forum to cry a bloo bloo until you had all your ducks in a row and had all 8 craft classes to 50 did you? Now you want Square to make you important by way of Nerf.

Your timing is just a little off.

What is wrong with you..? Every time someone says that the crafting / game is too easy you start shouting about a NERF..! You're the only person that has suggested this. You seem to suggest that you find crafting difficult / time consuming and therefore everyone who says otherwise is wrong. I'm sorry to say this, but your the one who's WRONG..!

[Celestia]

I understand that going to a non-legacy, a lot of the high level gear won't be plaguing the markets. Even if I went to another server and started over from square one, I can still level jobs very fast. The storylines provide so much gear that equipment won't be any trouble. Doing job quests will provide you with want you need as well. Gathering your mats won't be that hard either, you can select you want. So getting what you need if not difficult to progress. From the original post, regardless of whether or not I start over, leveling is too fast. People are accomplishing in a couple months want took me 3 years on 1.0 (playing a couple hours a day before work and playing half days on weekends). Now being that I leveled all my jobs during 1.0 (except arcanist) and level some jobs on another character on 2.0, the difference is huge. I does make me feel I wasted a lot of time during 1.0. To me, starting over make the 1.0 years a waste.

[Celestia]

I mean it can't be helped now, but I do think they should adjust the exp rate and slow the leveling. And whether people want to believe it or not, it does hurt the game economy. People are growing more self-sustaining therefore the need for things in the market go down. I might as well go fishing and npc my catches. Weaver, Leatherwork, Armorer and Blacksmith are practically useless for the time being, because the game provides you with plenty through story, quests or dungeons. Goldsmith does ok, Alchemy, well we won't go there...that really leave cooking for the consumable foods. So really, SE should consider not making gear so plentiful so value can be brought back to the other crafts. All I can hope is that things get harder. Hopefully, furniture will be something fun to add to the estates when they come out. Wait, since everyone will have everything leveled to 50, new synths will not be profitable. I guess we will have to wait for a few level cap raises.

[Ksenia]

What is wrong with you..? Every time someone says that the crafting / game is too easy you start shouting about a NERF..! You're the only person that has suggested this. You seem to suggest that you find crafting difficult / time consuming and therefore everyone who says otherwise is wrong. I'm sorry to say this, but your the one who's WRONG..!

You have my apology.

SE, crafting is much too easy.
Make it take 3000 hours to get to 50. Then it will be hard.

I mashed 1, 3, 4 and 5 for 3000 hours. It was hard.
Remove cross class abilities. We can spam RnG rates for hours on end to get 2star and the people who have it stacked in their retainers can make hundreds of millions. It will be hard.

Might as well remove HQ ingredients while we are at it.
Then it will be hard.

Because it takes an eternity.
And we all know you can't buy gear with tomes and seals so people will have no choice but to buy crafted.

I have a better idea, if I fail a synthesis, have my tool blow up too! That will make it really hard.

Lets bring it.

And one last thing, when you make it hard?
Reset everyone to level 1 in all craft. Me included.