Issues with Coil: Statics v. The Rest of Us

[Tribunus]

Lock out's and restrictions to how often and how many times you can do content do not belong in pay to play MMO's, keep that garbage in free to play MMO's. I'm paying monthly, that means I should get access to all the content as many times as I want, restrict how fast I can gear if you really need to, make it so I only get loot once per week, but let me play the damn game as often as I want.

F2P MMO's are about restrictions, lock out's, and telling me how often and how much I can play, pay to play MMO's are NOT. This game is trying to be some horrible hybrid taking the worst of f2p(lock out timers, restrictions, telling us how much we can play and only letting us play X amount of hours per week) and worst of pay to play(monthly sub) and combining them into a new business model that screws you over while charging you money. Real nice SE.

From my experience its actually pretty common to have raid locks etc in subscription mmo's, developers cant produce content at the speed your going to consume it and this is one of many ways to slow you down

WoW really ruined mmos forever. The whole DF system is an abomination. There is no social interaction anymore, you queue in DF and finish the runs without saying a word. Unless someone fails. Then you start raging or stay silent and quit.

Yeh because shouting for hours on end to find that tank or healer is just the sort of "social" interaction we need.

[Ronald]

I'm sorry to hear that you don't enjoy helping others. That's one of my favorite parts of the game: being social, meeting new people, and helping those in need. Nothing burns me more than seeing selfishness, apathy, elitism, and meanness in general.

This comment right here is borderline selfish. Did it occur to you that some of us want to see other players earn end game rewards instead of being hand held through all content? You should not bash someone for not wanting to do charity work all day.

[Yurikitty]

Ok im going to admit to not slogging through 14 pages of this. But I want to point out one thing. On Midgard we have 945 FC's. Nine hundred and freaking forty five. My FC is struggling like many others to fill spots for more than one Coil team. I really think the fact that there are 945 FC's on our server alone has something to do with this shortage of players. Here is the thing, linkshells were supposed to be the social channel, not Free Companies. Those were for raiding. If you cant get enough for coil maybe you should think about why. How many FC's does your server have? Do all those FC's need to be there? Especially the social ones? No. Again this is what linkshells are for. The problem is not being able to do Coil in DF, the problem is everyone and their brother thinks they need a FC for themselves instead of a LS. Average FC size on our server? 7-12. See the problem?

[Estellios]

Yeah because making an organization and eventually a company house with people I actually like to spend time with is insane

[Ronald]

Ok im going to admit to not slogging through 14 pages of this. But I want to point out one thing. On Midgard we have 945 FC's. Nine hundred and freaking forty five. My FC is struggling like many others to fill spots for more than one Coil team. I really think the fact that there are 945 FC's on our server alone has something to do with this shortage of players. Here is the thing, linkshells were supposed to be the social channel, not Free Companies. Those were for raiding. If you cant get enough for coil maybe you should think about why. How many FC's does your server have? Do all those FC's need to be there? Especially the social ones? No. Again this is what linkshells are for. The problem is not being able to do Coil in DF, the problem is everyone and their brother thinks they need a FC for themselves instead of a LS. Average FC size on our server? 7-12. See the problem?

Liked and TOTALLY AGREE

[Shiyo]

I don't like playing with a gigantic guild/FC of people. Never have, never will. I like playing with a small group of ~10 friends.

[Swishytail]

Ok im going to admit to not slogging through 14 pages of this. But I want to point out one thing. On Midgard we have 945 FC's. Nine hundred and freaking forty five. My FC is struggling like many others to fill spots for more than one Coil team. I really think the fact that there are 945 FC's on our server alone has something to do with this shortage of players. Here is the thing, linkshells were supposed to be the social channel, not Free Companies. Those were for raiding. If you cant get enough for coil maybe you should think about why. How many FC's does your server have? Do all those FC's need to be there? Especially the social ones? No. Again this is what linkshells are for. The problem is not being able to do Coil in DF, the problem is everyone and their brother thinks they need a FC for themselves instead of a LS. Average FC size on our server? 7-12. See the problem?

Pretty much this. Malboro has 942 FCs. 604 of them are 1-10 people. I skimmed a few pages, and 90% of those are 2-3 people.

[firepixiedarien]

The top end of the game needs to be challenging.


Not that I'm against DF being added to Coil/chimera/hydra mind you. It doesn't hurt the coil regulars (they won't use it), and it doesn't hurt others to have the option to go and fail endlessly if they want.

The thread is suggesting a LOOT LOCKOUT system, which does nothing to your personal difficulty/challenge because...

It doesn't hurt us coil regulars (we won't use it)

I'd like to add, I'm one o those Coil regulars.

[firepixiedarien]

This comment right here is borderline selfish. Did it occur to you that some of us want to see other players earn end game rewards instead of being hand held through all content? You should not bash someone for not wanting to do charity work all day.

Did it not occur to you that there is a big disparity between skilled players and unskilled players and that we'd rather see them helped instead of leaving the game?

[bluerei]

I have a job and family and can only play at night for about 3 hours, I have time for a static coil party. Most of my static party has the same issues and they live in different time zones. If we can do it on our different time schedules, anyone can.