[Discussion] The Pugilist of the Future!

[Vackashken]

Not sure what this kinda OK tank is about. Just Wednesday I tanked the Buffalo nm for our LS. I didn't have a hard time at all really. What I can't do is tank NMs that have multiple mobs attached (like Gobby, Mosshorn) because evasion is meaningless since there are so many and when I am hit I can't take too many. 1 on 1 I can tank anything so far.

One the hate algorithm is adjusted and they remove the stamina bar (which I am just GUESSING they will do) I think it will be that much easier to tank. That is if its the direction the class is going to take. I can't but wonder if we will become akin to ninja tanks from 11 if we get more shadows with featherfoot. Again, just conjecture.

[Peregrine]

Not sure what this kinda OK tank is about. Just Wednesday I tanked the Buffalo nm for our LS. I didn't have a hard time at all really. What I can't do is tank NMs that have multiple mobs attached (like Gobby, Mosshorn) because evasion is meaningless since there are so many and when I am hit I can't take too many. 1 on 1 I can tank anything so far.

One the hate algorithm is adjusted and they remove the stamina bar (which I am just GUESSING they will do) I think it will be that much easier to tank. That is if its the direction the class is going to take. I can't but wonder if we will become akin to ninja tanks from 11 if we get more shadows with featherfoot. Again, just conjecture.

Frame of reference bias. I tanked the great buffalo with 15 vitality for 4 minutes just messing around. On conjurer. With R35 body armor on.
The conclusion isn't that pug is a great tank. It's that there really aren't situations in the game that call for great tanks. I have no doubt in my mind that conjurer is an awesome tank, if by awesome you mean can tank great buffalo with no issues. Again, I wasn't even trying. I was the opposite of trying.

Honestly when those situations arise, the thaumaturge is a safer tank than pugilist is, and every meleer would perform about the same--that is, very poorly.

Pug isn't going to get any points for being an eva tank or an off tank. It's just not a worthwhile or functional role. It's one thing to say it, and another thing to mistake accomplishing it with being great at it compared to anyone else.

It's another to actually be it. Ninja was an evasion tank. Pugilist is a blood tank with bad gear options.

[Physic]

Frame of reference bias. I tanked the great buffalo with 15 vitality for 4 minutes just messing around. On conjurer. With R35 body armor on.
The conclusion isn't that pug is a great tank. It's that there really aren't situations in the game that call for great tanks. I have no doubt in my mind that conjurer is an awesome tank, if by awesome you mean can tank great buffalo with no issues. Again, I wasn't even trying. I was the opposite of trying.

Honestly when those situations arise, the thaumaturge is a safer tank than pugilist is, and every meleer would perform about the same--that is, very poorly.

Pug isn't going to get any points for being an eva tank or an off tank. It's just not a worthwhile or functional role. It's one thing to say it, and another thing to mistake accomplishing it with being great at it compared to anyone else.

It's another to actually be it. Ninja was an evasion tank. Pugilist is a blood tank with bad gear options.

pugilist isnt as bad a tank as you think, evasion is a much more noticeable skill in this game. and light strike+ concussive blow/ feather foot/ evasion gear can make you able to tank even fairly hard monsters, some more than others, I dont think it can mess with glad in straight damage mitigation, but it has its uses. That said, we really would have to test it with a tank built pug, on high level monsters, stuff like 14-20 levels higher. dont underestimate having a 30 point difference in parrying and a shitload more evasion for tanking.