New jobs upcoming, new tanks?

[Gandora]

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After reading all of that I might understand that because of hight HP & heavy armor a job become a tank? let alone all the others stats/abilities? Did other jobs get cover other then PLD, do they all get any form of shield/protection, does they have all a native high defense, the answer is no.

Also, you used others FF games as a reference, use FF5, make each chars of your PT a different job, lets say Bartz as BLU, Lenna as PLD, Galuf as MNK, & the pirate's girl as BLM, aggro a fight & let them be beaten down, you will see that even if there is no trinity some jobs cope with damage better then others. Making your argument irelevant.

DRK is a DD class, in FF5 its not even a playable job, its a storyline job where Cecil change into PLD for the sake of the story, try it in FF5 you will see. I have not played 1 & 2 since a long time so I can not say, but I do play 3 - 4 - 5 on my android when I am on break @work so for these I know.

[Kitru]

Also, you used others FF games as a reference, use FF5, make each chars of your PT a different job, lets say Bartz as BLU, Lenna as PLD, Galuf as MNK, & the pirate's girl as BLM, aggro a fight & let them be beaten down, you will see that even if there is no trinity some jobs cope with damage better then others. Making your argument irelevant.

That's the entire point of my argument. There isn't a trinity so you have to look at the relative durability of each class to determine whether it's a tank. Arguing that DRK is a DPS class based upon an argument that doesn't even *involve* Dark Knight just shows that you're not understanding it and quite possibly not even understanding what you're talking about yourself.

DRK is a DD class, in FF5 its not even a playable job, its a storyline job where Cecil change into PLD for the sake of the story, try it in FF5 you will see. I have not played 1 & 2 since a long time so I can not say, but I do play 3 - 4 - 5 on my android when I am on break @work so for these I know.

I've played all the FF games numerous times and I still find it amusing that the only game that you're using as your supporting evidence is FF4, which still has Dark Knight Cecil as the most durable character in your party up until he upgrades and turns into a PLD.

Try actually doing what you're telling me to do, only try doing it with a game that actually *has* Dark Knight as a playable job rather than arbitrarily extrapolating information from a single game that doesn't even fulfill the conditions of the comparative study that you're expecting: you can easily do it in FFX-2 and FFT. Hell, in the remake of FFT you can actually get Dark Knight on characters other than Gafgarion. If you *do* you'll see that Dark Knight actually *does* qualify as a tank-style class for the exact reasons I point out and that you somehow expected to disprove my point, just like the rest of the classes that I referenced.

Dark Knight has *always* been a highly durable class, which means that it is entirely likely that it will come into the game as a tank class. Just because you want to bring up games where it doesn't exist doesn't mean anything remotely close to proving your point.

There are 2 ways that DRK could be introduced into ARR: as a DPS variation job for GLA (it becomes DPS not because DRK makes more sense as a DPS class but rather because you *really* don't want to double up on tank jobs for a single class) or as a tank job attached to an entirely new class. As I said before, and you apparently missed, it's just as much because Dark Knight makes more sense as a tank job than as a DPS job on the basis of the previous implementations of the job as it is that there aren't that many jobs that could feasibly become tanks and the devs need to preserve the ratio of tanks to DPS to healers to prevent the already unequal distribution of roles from becoming even *more* unequal.

[Gandora]

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When I said "some job will cope better then others" I was obviously pointing out the PLD in the party. You said that the only game where DRK was a DD was in XI, then you can only mention 1 FF where it was more likely? a tank. Logic?

Just because you want to bring up games where it doesn't exist doesn't mean anything remotely close to proving your point.

talking so much bullshit, you came with all the names, only 2 i mentionned were 4 & 5 to prove my point.

There are 2 ways that DRK could be introduced into ARR: as a DPS variation job for GLA (it becomes DPS not because DRK makes more sense as a DPS class but rather because you *really* don't want to double up on tank jobs for a single class) or as a tank job attached to an entirely new class.

There is also another way, which is about making a new class using whatever they want to introduce (I.E Great sword) then they can make the class go into the jobs such as DRK or RUN possibly. alike SMN & SCH.

Now here's my advice, what about you stop writting books full of bs on the forum & start getting real arguments?

[Kitru]

When I said "some job will cope better then others" I was obviously pointing out the PLD in the party. You said that the only game where DRK was a DD was in XI, then you can only mention 1 FF where it was more likely? a tank. Logic?

I mentioned *4* FFs where Dark Knight fulfills the qualities that are tapped for tank jobs. You brought up one game where the Dark Knight doesn't even exist and one that I *already* used to explain how Dark Knight is a tank rather than a damage dealer. Are you even paying attention?

Also, holy crap, your syntax and grammar are almost painfully hard to parse for your intent.

talking so much bullshit, you came with all the names, only 2 i mentionned were 4 & 5 to prove my point.

You're seriously arguing that the fact that you have *fewer* games to reference to support your claims while simultaneously having them be *weaker* examples, since one doesn't even *have* Dark Knight and the other already *has* Dark Knight as a tanky class? Do you even understand what you're saying here?

There is also another way, which is about making a new class using whatever they want to introduce (I.E Great sword) then they can make the class go into the jobs such as DRK or RUN possibly. alike SMN & SCH.

Now here's my advice, what about you stop writting books full of bs on the forum & start getting real arguments?

Are you even sure you understand what actually *comprises* a legitimate argument? I gave you explicit examples that categorically disproved your claim that "DRK is a damage dealing class, it has been since the begining". In the beginning, the Dark Knight had more in common with a tank than a damage dealer. As it progressed, it continued to have more in common with a tank. In a single later case (Final Fantasy XI) that is notorious concerning how poorly it implemented classes relative to their historical design, it was turned into damage dealer.

If you honestly think that I'm full of BS, try and actually bring up some evidence rather than supplying conjecture that is either completely and totally inapplicable (your "evidence" concerning FF4 and FF5) or completely and utterly *untrue* (you claiming that Dark Knight has always been a damage dealing class). You may not like the fact that I actually enjoy discussing the game (and series) as much as playing it, but, seriously, if you're going to try and tell me that I'm getting something wrong, try and make sure that you're not the one that has been making up your entire argument as it progressed.