DPS calculation for dungeons

[BlossomRose]

no offence, but you are not representing SE to say whether we are allow to use DPS meters, especially it is already a third party application :/

Actually, SE has said themselves, several times, that they are not against the rules. In fact they plan to SUPPORT mods in the near future by providing people with the code they need to make mods and integrate them into the game directly.

So huh yeah, too bad?

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, just saying. SE has said and confirmed several times than using things like DPS meters or graphic enhancers isn't against the rules. They warn that using them could be dangerous for your installation and to be careful what content you put in there, but that's it.

So before saying they're against the rules and shouldn't be allowed, it is YOU who should do their research.

Just because it's a third party application does not make it against the rules. If it were used to cheat or gain unfair advantages, then yes. But all it does is let you review people's performances, which is a useful tool to have.

I don't condone using DPS meters to be elitists, but I also think that they're useful to spot people who aren't very good, and warn them they need to improve. Especially with how Titan and BC 1, 2 and 4 are pretty much all DPS checks, and if you have one DPS pulling 100DPS while your others are pulling 300DPS, something is wrong, and it needs to be addressed.

[Sinth]

no offence, but you are not representing SE to say whether we are allow to use DPS meters, especially it is already a third party application :/

DPS meters are allowed. As is Internet Explorer, as is Notepad.exe, as is Windows Clipboard. All are 3rd party applications; none provide an unfair advantage to the user.

[COSMIC_RENEGADE]

This is getting good...keep it going. "Cosmic grabs some popcorn and gets comfortable"

[sinfull]

Personally speaking I usually prefer to play with people even in there AF, I was walking around with no "elite" enough gear but I managed just fine. Was hoping a lot of the WoW crowd would go the Final Fantasy crowd are a much nicer bunch of people we like to help others and won't kick you just because your not elite enough. I prefer the journey and story of the game, I don't see the point in always needing to speed run and show my epeen around to others. Yes you have good gear but urm you suck at your job is what I see with most of the elitist players who think they know it all especially when there new to the game and try telling me how to play my job.

[ispano]

Personally speaking I usually prefer to play with people even in there AF, I was walking around with no "elite" enough gear but I managed just fine. Was hoping a lot of the WoW crowd would go the Final Fantasy crowd are a much nicer bunch of people we like to help others and won't kick you just because your not elite enough. I prefer the journey and story of the game, I don't see the point in always needing to speed run and show my epeen around to others. Yes you have good gear but urm you suck at your job is what I see with most of the elitist players who think they know it all especially when there new to the game and try telling me how to play my job.

Eh? It's not always about a speed run. Titan for example. Many DF groups, and even premades like to rely on a Limit Break to down the heart. OK, but by doing that it means the groups DPS is probably lower than it should be. This causes an issue in phase 5 because he adds a stomp to Tumult every rotation, which can cause issues for healers if it goes on too long. So if your DPS isn't up to par, it's better to know and get better than to be oblivious and drag down groups because of it.

[vRoad]

As with most users of parsers, they usually have no idea how to interpret the information they're looking at.

It's not a case of "So-and-so is doing low dps/hps/is dying", but that of "Why is so-and-so doing low dps/hps/is dying".

[BlossomRose]

As with most users of parsers, they usually have no idea how to interpret the information they're looking at.

It's not a case of "So-and-so is doing low dps/hps/is dying", but that of "Why is so-and-so doing low dps/hps/is dying".

EXACTLY.

I don't use parsers to JUDGE people, I use parsers to try and figure people out. Like I said, if I'm doing Titan, and my group's DPS looks like: DRG 300, BLM 300, BRD 300, PLD 200, MNK 100, then I'm going to ask the Monk why he's pulling such low DPS that even the tank is doing more. Is his rotation wrong? Is he having too much difficulty keeping up with the fight? Is he undergeared? I don't see it as a reason to KICK someone, but I do see it as a reason to QUESTION them.

However, failure to improve at all is usually a good enough reason to consider going from questioning to kicking.

And if I'm trying to do harder content that requires a DPS check (BC Turn 4) then I'll probably try to bring people I know can get past the DPS check. It's not to be a dick, it's just how the game is designed, and I don't like the idea of carrying someone through the content if they can't get themselves on everyone else's level, or at least TRY.

Not that there's much content like that yet, but Titan is the best example of content that a random group might have an easier time with if they use a parser to figure out if they have a weak link or not.

[testa889]

Not everyone is a hardcore player here and have 5-8hrs per day after work to play the game,
some of the players have been fighting Ifrit HM for the weapon but it doesnt drop :/
but it doesnt mean that they cant do AK, Garuda, Titan.

you have answer yourself already. if you are a casual play that only play on average 1-2 hours per day, then why do you expect yourself ready at titan?
i play average 4 hours per day , and i spent 2 weeks get my garuda weapon , 2 months to get full dl gear to be ready for titan

being casual and being lazy is two different thing mmkay?

when you are geared (full dl + garuda titan) , it makes titan fight much easier assuming that you know the fight.so why not ? why rush to get relic with ak or even af1?
you dont die to plume doesnt meet you contribute to the dps pool.

think of the whole party into your consideration.

[CheshirePuss]

I don't condone using DPS meters to be elitists, but I also think that they're useful to spot people who aren't very good, and warn them they need to improve. Especially with how Titan and BC 1, 2 and 4 are pretty much all DPS checks, and if you have one DPS pulling 100DPS while your others are pulling 300DPS, something is wrong, and it needs to be addressed.

I actually support the idea of using mods like the DPS meter. There has been at least one or two games, where having certain mods helped amazingly with my progress on my class at the time. It's not to cheat or break the game, it's just a different mechanic for those who aren't fond or content with the mechanics already in the game. Much like how I dislike the tab system in this game. No I don't want to target an enemy far down the map! Having to move my camera to face directly at the ground most of the time, just to try to get a better chance in fast swapping my targets when in a dungeon.

[Zoalord]

You dont need DL or Garuda weapon for Titan,

I have beaten Titan with a party that only have AK gear/Ifrit(DDs) weapon and some GC(Healers) weapon,
During Heart phase we have 3 LB bar and 2 DPS used status potion, everyone eat their food before the fight, took us 2 times to beat it.

It is possible, but maybe a little longer fight, with DL/Garuda weapon does make the fight faster/easier, but still, if your team mate doesnt know what they are doing, even tho they have decent gear, still end up losing.


My point of this thread is, that, some players judge you based on your DPS, which is not fair.