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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigkid3 View Post
    The only question left is really how much does a one point increase in crit, det, or ss effect a how much increase in dps. then we'd know what the actual weights should be.
    Edit2:

    Ok, apparently I screwed something up bigtime with the new DTR estimates. Should have just stuck with the old ones until something is finalized on the "DTR theorycraft" front.

    WD 7.841
    STR 1
    DTR 0.224
    CRT 0.172
    SS 0.154

    Anyways those weights should be better accurate for now until new information is finalized. In all likelihood DTR will increase to like 0.23 or something.

    Edit3: Leggings stats corrected.

    Running solver again results in [using hq deviled eggs]:

    A: Belt, Bracelet [Maiming], Chest, Gloves, Necklace [Maiming], Ring Ring, Weapon
    M: Earring, Helm, Leggings
    M/A: Boots

    Using Buttons (not relying on food for ACC):

    A: Belt, Chest, Earrings [Maiming], Gloves, Leggings, Ring Ring
    M: Bracelet, Helm, Necklace, Weapon
    M/A: Boots
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    Last edited by EasymodeX; 11-09-2013 at 02:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Should be moderately close to:
    WD 8.379
    STR 1.000
    DTR 0.258
    CRT 0.172
    SS 0.155
    ... [snip]
    Could you do me (and some others) a favor and supply this excel sheet? Personally, I am unable to construct a function like this in excel and I would like to reverse engineer your product to come up with a private gear-selection tool. Basically, I want to use your excel skills in making a sheet which helps me decide on particular gear combinations.

    Host it through dropbox?

    thanks in advance
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  3. #43
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    Dropbox costs money or something. You can download it here:

    http://www.fileswap.com/dl/qcz19kMjqe/

    I don't have the greatest instructions and it's not super intuitive. If you have any questions, ask.

    Note: the spreadsheet was originally designed to model rotations to figure out what rotations sucked or not. So the stat weight area is significantly less clean and requires some manual input.
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    Thanks .

    I'll try to figure it out and see how I can use your sheet to make a gear-selector
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Dropbox costs money or something. You can download it here:

    http://www.fileswap.com/dl/qcz19kMjqe/

    I don't have the greatest instructions and it's not super intuitive. If you have any questions, ask.

    Note: the spreadsheet was originally designed to model rotations to figure out what rotations sucked or not. So the stat weight area is significantly less clean and requires some manual input.
    You mixed up the stats for Allagan/Myth Leggings on the Monk tab.

    Allagan Leggings should be 34 CRT / 24 SS
    Myth Leggings should be 34 ACC / 17 DTR
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  6. #46
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    Oh that sucks, thanks!

    Let me know if there are any other errors!
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    Last edited by EasymodeX; 11-09-2013 at 02:43 AM.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Dropbox costs money or something.
    It should be free. it only costs money for higher tiers, but the basic tier should be free.
    Everyone is able to see and download my dropbox link, right?

    also, how did you get those weights? If they're confirmed then I can use them for the gear set solver. (I can't look at your fileswap link right now until i get home).
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    Last edited by Zigkid3; 11-09-2013 at 04:07 AM.

  8. #48
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    Those weights are based on applying valk's damage formula against the model/limited simulation of Monk rotation I created in my spreadsheet, along with an additional rougher model for autoattacks. Added 10 to each stat and divided. You can check the spreadsheet out at the link above.

    The stat weights vary with rotation. Folks that use a lot of autocrit bootshines will have a lower CRT weight for example. The SS stat weight is very marginally over-weighted due to its interaction with DOTs (or rather, the lower than expected interaction with DOTs due to their server-timed nature, instead of debuff-timed).

    The bootshine differential was actually enough for me to create 2 stat weight tables for Monks, as can be seen in the spreadsheet. The one I used above is "DK-only" to reflect a more "worst-case scenario", since it also lowers SS value slightly as a nod to TP constraints.

    Edit:

    Note that there's some controversy around valk's formula at high values of DTR. Etc etc people researching etc testing ~~
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  9. #49
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    Running your weights as DTR .23, Crit .17, and SS .13 (i lowered it slightly since you said it was overvalued a bit). and a 472 acc cap...

    Assuming Allagan weapon:
    M/A: Boots, hero's earrings or earrings of maiming
    A: waist, chest, gloves, bracelet maiming, neck maiming, both rings
    Melee/Hero: head, legs

    473 acc, +166 crit, +84 dtr, +32 ss

    Assuming Relic+1 weapon:
    M/A: Boots
    A: Head, waist, chest, gloves, bracelet maiming, earrings striking, both rings
    Melee/Hero: legs, neck

    474 acc, +144 crit, +81 dtr, +58 ss
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    Last edited by Zigkid3; 11-09-2013 at 05:07 AM.

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    What about this one:
    Allagan weapon
    Melee feet and legs
    Allagan head/body/hands/waist, choker+ears+bracelet of maiming, ring of maiming+striking

    This gives me 458 acc, 501crit, +99dtr and +32SS.
    With lava toad legs food, I get to 458+13=471 acc and 501+9crit.
    That a bonus of 15dtr vs loss of 2acc and 6 crit.
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