Gearing Your Monk in iLvl 90 Gear: A Discussion

[Zigkid3]

If you plan on using food buffs then just adjust the accuracy needed accordingly

[paradigmshift]

If you prefer Det>Crit>SS, 60%>30%>10%:

Boots: Either
Head: Allagan
Waist: Allagan
Chest: Allagan
Legs: Melee
Gloves: Allagan
Bracelet: Allagan of maiming
Neck: Hero's
Earrings: Allagan of striking
Rings: Allagan of striking & maiming

You'll get 476 accuracy (4 over), +134 crit, +81 det, +32 ss.

I entered the gear in at XIVdb and got a different outcome than you, can we confirm if your numbers are correct?

I got 133 accuracy, 144 crit, 81 det, 58 ss. Not too shabby if my numbers are correct, which is why i wanted to confirm with you.

[EasymodeX]

As a general observation, I have no idea why you're approaching accuracy by using a weapon assumptions just because the weapon has accuracy. You could apply the same logic to any item slot you have a fetish for.

If you are filtering for "pre-turn 5 BiS", then that filter applies to more than just the weapon.

Just allow the solver to choose either the R+1 or the Allagan weapon, total up the total acc and set the solver to target 472 / 482 or whatever you want. That's how I set mine up.

[KaosPrimeZero]

So Melee head is better if yo value crit over det? Also add to that Iget crit is nice, but is there a point for point det to dmg available yet? If so is CHR +20 really better than DET+30? With DET being more sustained and consistent damage also? Just curious is all, as im likely to get the Melee Body and Helm next seeing as the Allagan body drops in turn 4 and im no closer to that seeing as our group only just started coil, though we beat Turn 1 with relative ease, so here is hoping Turn 2 wont pose that much issues.... Thanks in advance!

[EasymodeX]

If so is CHR +20 really better than DET+30?

Hell no.

DTR is basically plus or minus 50% better than CRT per point. That's why it's itemized as "6 DTR or 9 CRT", or on some items: "11 DTR or 16 CRT".

Different classes will operate differently and the actual weights will change, but not by a huge amount -- in other words DTR will always be "30-70% better than CRT" per point (usually in the 40-60% range). You have to have some very specific mechanics like BRDs with River of Blood in order for CRT to compete point-for-point against DTR.

[Donjo]

So Melee head is better if yo value crit over det? Also add to that Iget crit is nice, but is there a point for point det to dmg available yet? If so is CHR +20 really better than DET+30? With DET being more sustained and consistent damage also? Just curious is all, as im likely to get the Melee Body and Helm next seeing as the Allagan body drops in turn 4 and im no closer to that seeing as our group only just started coil, though we beat Turn 1 with relative ease, so here is hoping Turn 2 wont pose that much issues.... Thanks in advance!

The biggest problem with trying to really optimize stats at the moment is that I don't think anybody has a definite ratio of the weights of stat returns against damage. The only thing I see almost universal agreement with is that Skill Speed is not very useful(mostly because it'll increase your dps, sure, but only until you run out of TP halfway through the fight). There's also the matter of the rumored "Crit Rate Cap", a point at which adding additional points does absolutely nothing. I have no idea if that's a thing at all, but I've heard 20% floating around and that 100 Crit Rate = 8%. Seems a wee bit off that those two numbers combine to say that the base Crit Rate is over the cap. It confuses me.

Either way, you are correct in assuming that Determination is more "sustained and consistent" than Crit Rate. One's overseen by the RNG Gods and the other isn't. Seems easy enough to assume

As for the headgear argument, picking the Melee head is more saying that you prefer Accuracy over Determination than Crit over Determination.
Melee adds: 15 Accuracy and 21 Crit Rate
Allagan adds: 15 Determination and 15 Crit Rate

I don't care what the weights are; I'm fairly certain that 15 Determination is more valuable than 6 Crit Rate. But, if you need that 15 Accuracy, it's a valid choice.

Edit: This 1000 character post limit is incredibly odd, given that it's so easy to circumvent.

[Zigkid3]

I entered the gear in at XIVdb and got a different outcome than you, can we confirm if your numbers are correct?

I got 133 accuracy, 144 crit, 81 det, 58 ss. Not too shabby if my numbers are correct, which is why i wanted to confirm with you.

I double checked the stats for each piece.

my hero's belt of striking was 16 acc and 16 ss, when it should've been 11 acc and 16 ss. This is because i used gamerscape for the stats and gamerscape reported it wrong as 16, 16 when it shouldve been 11, 16. i double checked all of my gear's stats with the FFXIV LIBRA database app just to make sure which website was reporting it correctly, XIVDB is reporting it correctly, gamerscape had it incorrect.
there was also a typo with allagan cuirass of striking saying it gave 24 crit, it was actually supposed to be 34 crit.

Now that i fixed those two problems which effected accuracy by 5 and crit by 10, everything else should be correct. thats why i had 134 crit at first instead of 144 crit that you had, so there's that 10 crit difference. determination was the same. and i have also confirmed that my skillspeed was correct it is 32 and not 58. i plugged the set into XIVDB wardrobe as well and they too say that skillspeed with this set would be 32. also accurcy according to xivdb as well as my excel sheet both add up to 96+37=133 as well.

I will reupload the updated version on dropbox and change the google doc link as well, and will edit this post once those changes have been updated. other than those two things, everything else is correct and adds up correctly.

edit: Okay both links have been updated on my post on the first page. here they are again if you don't want to go to the first page:


https://docs.google.com/a/csu.fuller...tLTMtV0E#gid=0 (go to the tab labeled model).
if you just want to view it
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oeecuwfyic...14monkgear.xls
if you would like to download the spreadsheet and make any adjustments of your own

[Zigkid3]

I compared my Excel Solver to Aeoliana's set in this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Best-Monk-Set

using Allagan Baghnakhs with weights Crit>Det>SS by 1>.5>0

I have confirmed that we both got

Weapon - Allagan Baghnakhs
Head - Melee Circlet
Chest - Allagan Cuirass of Striking
Hands - Allagan Gauntlets of Striking
Waist - Allagan Tassets of Striking
Legs - Melee Gaskins
Feet - Allagan Sollerets of Striking/melee (same stats)
Neck - Allagan Choker of Maiming
Ear - Allagan Earrings of Maiming//Hero's (same stats like with the boots)
Wrist - Allagan Bracelets of Maiming
Ring - Allagan Ring of Maiming
Ring - Allagan Ring of Striking

Accuracy: 132 Determination: 84 Critical Hit Rate: 166 Skill Speed: 32

For our answer to this scenario.

So I have confirmed the solver is working appropriately.

[Zigkid3]

The only question left is really how much does a one point increase in crit, det, or ss effect a how much increase in dps. then we'd know what the actual weights should be.

[revonine]

Very interesting post but please, this is AF2:

I don't care if it takes months of grinding or I have to do a quest 5x times the length of the relic quest I'm having that set