Make CT items from boss 1-4 ilvl80 and boss 5-8 ilvl100

[Kamek]

If endgame people have to wait six months for 2.2 to get an upgrade. no ones gonna stick around. Extreme Primals should also be ilvl100. My whole FC is looking at other mmos cause all there is is 1 raid thats easier than what we've done, with items worse than what we have. What's the incentive to resub for 2.1? Even casuals will out gear CT by then.

[Grundy]

If endgame people have to wait six months for 2.2 to get an upgrade. no ones gonna stick around. Extreme Primals should also be ilvl100. My whole FC is looking at other mmos cause all there is is 1 raid thats easier than what we've done, with items worse than what we have. What's the incentive to resub for 2.1? Even casuals will out gear CT by then.

I wonder how many 'casuals' will have the Relic Weapon requirement to enter CT....

[Adam]

I primarily focus my attention to end game in all MMOs. However, this particular schedule doesn't bother me in the least bit. CT is a new raid, a new instance to learn mechanics and "fight the good fight." I certainly can't speak for anybody but myself but I simply enjoy beating the game. The gear is a fun bonus at the end of every boss and of course we should get upgrades to help along the way. I don't think CT will be "bad" for the end game oriented player though. Think about this. We have access to nine different jobs in this game. Why not gear all of them? I see CT as new content where I can gear my sub job and other jobs at. I'm a player who likes to play everything, I dislike putting all my eggs in one basket and focusing everything on one job. In fact I would argue the best players of this game have many or all prespectives of fights and roles in this game, not the ones who focus on soley one or two particular jobs.

[lyndwyrm]

It wouldn't surprise me if the drops from extreme mode primals are ilv90+, but.... I would think they'd probably still just be 80, like most people expect CT's gear to be.

But, it is still currently impossible for people to have gotten enough ToM to get a full AF2 set. You could have a full ilv90 set if you've been lucky enough in running coil, but most people don't. Currently though, why would you need a full ilv90 set? If you are already clearing coil, then clearly you have good enough gear for it. Yes more ilv90 gear will let people clear it faster and easier, but that doesn't make it necessary.

The EM primals and HM dungeons might be a similar challenge to coil regarding gear, or they might even be a higher gear check (but it seems to me that coil is still supposed to be the highest level challenge available). But coil really only requires an average just over 70 (full DL & relic +1, or full DL, some AF2, & relic and I would say it's actually a little more forgiving than that still, for the first few turns at least). So, CT will probably have a lower gear check than that probably around 10 beneath that, requiring more DL than AK and a relic, not +1. If the EM primals are also ilv80, then I would expect a similar gear check (probably higher for one or two of them if they are arranged like the HM primals).

If they make the EM primals pretty much require a full ilv90 set though, then sure, have them drop ilv100 weapons. Then the EM primals will be the top challenge in the game, but they could also instead make them drop items for housing, vanity gear, tokens for other things, or something interesting.

It's not that I don't understand wanting a gear upgrade, having no gear to upgrade to for 3 months seems like a reasonable reason to drop a game. I'm just saying, if you have a full ilv90 set then you will probably continue to be overgeared for any dungeon available. You could level and gear other classes, you could focus on perfecting a turn 5 strategy, or find a different game if this isn't doing it for you.

One last thing, if I recall correctly, the patches were supposed to be every 3-4 months, not 6. Even 2.1 is expected in December (I still haven't seen a confirmed date), so I would expect 2.2 in 4 months from now, 3 from whenever 2.1 actually comes out.

[Vodomir]

In fact I would argue the best players of this game have many or all prespectives of fights and roles in this game, not the ones who focus on soley one or two particular jobs.

At least from my MMO experience that conclusion doesn't hold true. I'd go as far as to argue the converse and say that usually the players that dedicate themselves to one class are the ones that set themselves apart from other players of that class. What I have seen is that people lose focus when they try to play all classes of a game - you just can't play 9 classes on a near perfect level and also can't keep all of them on a state of the art gear level, as that's just too time consuming, so you automatically start to make trade-offs to some degree. While there may be exceptions I would generally say that a player who plays only 1 or maybe up to 3 classes is better in those classes than a player who plays all classes. Dedicating oneself to one class means you also get to spend that much more time with your class, allowing you to master it to a higher degree than someone who splits their time across 9 classes (and maybe loads of crafting professions, too).

[Adam]

Dedicating oneself to one class means you also get to spend that much more time with your class, allowing you to master it to a higher degree than someone who splits his time across 9 classes (and maybe loads of crafting professions, too).

I never said don't focus on gearing one or two classes. I for example focus on tanking, but I'm not ignorant of the dps roles in turns 1-5 as I've experienced the dps portion of those fights. I've involved myself in silencing ADS while maintaning high dps, dealing with dps checks in turn 4, healing pressures of turn 4 when a tank is holding two dreadnaughts (which has allowed me to tank better). Also turn 5 and dealing with waxing flesh stacks weather it's 3 stacks or 4 stacks knowing when to use cooldowns to appropriatly deal with conflags has allowed me to take a more active role tanking this encounter as well.Don't misunderstand this as "I can't learn the fight from one prespective." What I'm saying is, I learn the the fight faster then most people because I look at all sides of the box rather then just one.

I think my method of hands on learning is fantastic and works well for me. I would ideally like to see more people pick up this habit; it also makes the game more enjoyable in the long run.

[CyanDvai]

I would generally say that a player who plays only 1 or maybe up to 3 classes is better

I would agree with this. Even with myself I find if I try and focus on too many jobs I loose out trying to get geared up and end game content. I would still like 2-3 jobs at 50 (one being a gathering class) but I'm currently working on getting most of my jobs between 15 - 30 for different abilities.

I've only been in Turn 1 (haven't completed it yet) with a mostly inexperienced group of FC mates, but I would suspect that the majority of the players (casuals) have not entered BCoB yet so CT having i80 gear would be perfect for them. It will give them content they can move into after completing their DL sets (or while doing DL with AK items) and a good boost to move into BCoB.

The 10% or so of the population that is clearing Turn 5 is not the main focus of SE right now. Get the rest of the content out that covers the missing iLvl stuff and then open up Turn 6+

[Ariyn]

I don't have an issue with CT being puggable and such. My problem is that if things stay on the current course then there will always be this course. Meaning CT > New coil wings > New CT wing ... which means that progression is actually going backwards every other patch. The general idea for end game content is to move progression forward, not backwards. Putting the "easy" raid after the harder one is completely stupid and I am in the same boat as the OP. People are looking at new things because once TT is dead it's a 4 month break to higher lvl content.

So challenge to everyone ... name 1 MMO in history that ever released an easier raid to follow the "hard" one ...

[Hik0]

just play an other class that isn't i90 for CT.
idont know any casual player that have several job i90ed

[mythicrose]

I wonder how many 'casuals' will have the Relic Weapon requirement to enter CT....

All it takes is for someone to "buy" a Titan run. Can't speak for pricing on other servers, but the spammers on Cactuar have dropped their pricing to 120k gil earlier this week. Philosophy mats are trading for approximatetly 25k gil so even a 'casual' can afford a Titan run without too much hassle.