XIV:ARR what SE could change to make the XI Playerbase more Happy

[Eekiki]

But is a Console release and Established Brand name truly enough to make an otherwise rather generic and Copy>Pasted MMO success in a market riddled with failures?

It being "generic" and "copy/pasted" is your opinion. I don't see the game this way.

Be that as it may, the answer to your question is yes. This is another thing that separates FFXIV from other MMORPGs. The design and marketing of this game targets not only MMO veterans, but players who have never played an MMORPG. So far, it's working. I've seen more than my share of people in game who say this is their first MMO.

3. This is most certainly a Wow clone.. Yoshi said himself he made many people from his team play the game to understand it.. how could you deny it?? not to say a clone of a game in many ways is bad.. however, screw cloning wow, that game is horrible. Clone a much better game like... FFXI

Kinda like Sakaguchi had his dev team play EQ before cloning it and calling it FFXI, right?

Totally serious, I just had a really intense feeling of deja vu.

[Blackheart]

2. This game is so sloppy.. its a skeleton of a quality game and therefore im pretty positive they will start building more detail in, as well as harder longer content. Much of which will probably come from FFXI (A much better game then Wow)

3. This is most certainly a Wow clone.. Yoshi said himself he made many people from his team play the game to understand it.. how could you deny it?? not to say a clone of a game in many ways is bad.. however, screw cloning wow, that game is horrible. Clone a much better game like... FFXI

i'll agree with what you said for 1...for the most part anyways, but 2 and 3 are no more then just your opinion, many would argue WoW is better just as much as you would argue FFXI is better, so you can't really use that as a good argument.

[ufufu]

This is another thing that separates FFXIV from other MMORPGs. The design and marketing of this game targets not only MMO veterans, but players who have never played an MMORPG. So far, it's working. I've seen more than my share of people in game who say this is their first MMO.

Yup. I can actually attest to this, since I'm a new MMO player. FFXIV is the first MMO I've played past the initial trial period, and this is for a variety of reasons. The most important, though, is that they managed to make the game very accessible to newcomers by not having any type of serious grind - which is, funnily enough, what FFXI people seem to bitch and moan about the most - and making the combat classes very streamlined and easy to jump into, along with making level progression engaging but not making it take very long (something else FFXI people seem to hate). I hate hate hated FFXI and dropped it after my first playing session, and vaguely enjoyed WoW before not subscribing after my free trial was up, but FFXIV is the only game that managed to hook me past the "oh, I'll give this game a try" period.

[KittenStomper]

i'll agree with what you said for 1...for the most part anyways, but 2 and 3 are no more then just your opinion, many would argue WoW is better just as much as you would argue FFXI is better, so you can't really use that as a good argument.

All of it is subjective, but FFXIV compared to FFXI - many small details are missing and not replaced with anything else. And as for #3, Even if it is my opinion, I dont really care what SE's game plan is for money, at all. My opinion as a loyal customer to SE and a long time Fan of FF is more valid than any other game jumper's opinion presented today. Many of us played FFXI because we did not like Wow or any of the other games available so to be screwed over and left without choice is very disheartening. We don't want your generic crap built into our FF just for you to leave us with it tomorrow for Elder Scroll Online.

We hardly have FFXI to go back to and we certainly don't have FFXIV to hold us over ATM.. so what do we have?? WOw? screw that.

Everyone can have their opinion.. Mine is simply for SE to stay true to their roots rather than stomp on their image to appease all of these fickle people who will leave to the next newest MMO sooner than later anyway.

[BlaiseArath]

It being "generic" and "copy/pasted" is your opinion. I don't see the game this way.

Be that as it may, the answer to your question is yes. This is another thing that separates FFXIV from other MMORPGs. The design and marketing of this game targets not only MMO veterans, but players who have never played an MMORPG. So far, it's working. I've seen more than my share of people in game who say this is their first MMO.

Agreed, Its an Opinion for sure. But i can say FFXIV brings very little to nothing new to the MMO Market, most of its ideas and features are copied, which while not bad... isn't enough on its own... Especially not if some of the borrowed ideas are implemented worse off than in others (While thats an opinion, none can deny the bad foresight of Odin/Behemoth fates)

And I agree, so far its working. My biggest fear and what history tells me will happen is eventually people will start to grow bored of treading the gear ladder, which is generally what happens. Or SE won't be able to pump out content fast enough to keep people happy (Which is happening already), so on and so forth. Small things that will add up to a bigger problem, one more MMOs of this type face within their first year.

I want FFXI to succeed, but warning signs are visible if you choose to see them, I'm just not as confident as you are that these minor difference in an otherwise borrowed game will lead to its bright future. I'd like to be though.

Yup. I can actually attest to this, since I'm a new MMO player. FFXIV is the first MMO I've played past the initial trial period, and this is for a variety of reasons. The most important, though, is that they managed to make the game very accessible to newcomers by not having any type of serious grind - which is, funnily enough, what FFXI people seem to bitch and moan about the most - and making the combat classes very streamlined and easy to jump into, along with making level progression engaging but not making it take very long (something else FFXI people seem to hate). I hate hate hated FFXI and dropped it after my first playing session, and vaguely enjoyed WoW before not subscribing after my free trial was up, but FFXIV is the only game that managed to hook me past the "oh, I'll give this game a try" period.

not that i disagree with you, But I'd like to ask how you cannot define repeating the same 2 dungeons over and over (Hundreds of times mind you) for a piece of gear which will almost immediately be obsoleted and useless as a "Serious Grind" Even for 1 set of Armor you need to repeat these dungeons around 40 times.

Some days I'd take campng Mee Deggi again over grinding out another WP or AK :x

[silentwindfr]

you notice that the game haven't yet 2 month? i means you comparing a game with 12 years (ff11), 9 years (wow),...
you can't judge a game before 2 big patch come out.

i will talk of Swtor, since i know pretty well the subject, the trouble is the big patch haven't bring anything interesting. the game, 6 month after the release had still some raid with heavy bug, making some boss impossible to finish.
we know already that some content arrive with the 2.1.... but i'm more wait and see until 2.2, after it will be time to judge.

other point, FF14 v1 was close of FF11 and look what did happend... it's good to be nostalgic, but be realist is better. the world of the mmorpg have change you cant' make a game like ff11 anymore, it will not work.

[Cynric]

Blaise I agree with what you say for the most part, except that this is a clone of WoW, We can agree to disagree on that one. I played WoW far too much for me to want to play any game that felt like that again. To me this just feels like any run of the mill MMO.


Which is why I agree with you . However, I believe it's too early to swing in either direction. Will FF14 fail? Will FF14's direction become clearer and more unique? Will it be more of the same? Will this game be successful? It's just far too early to tell.

The only thing we know for a fact is. This list , I've seen it repeated since beta, over and over these things have been denied with no chance of reprisal. I don't know what Yoshida's plans for the MMO are (PVP? PVE? WOW?PSO2?) but anything from FFXI that isn't already there or a slight nod to the game as a past title seems to not be part of it.

Maybe they have newer ideas. But we can't condemn the game quite yet. The only problem i'm seeing so far is the 2.1 release is still a month away and considering how the game is currently and how much 2.1 adds. It can't come soon enough.

[Blackheart]

(sorry had to snip)

your opinion is no more valid then anyone else, period. Be they a game jumper, casual, hardcore, FFXI, WoW, EQ1, or anything else. FFXI was a great game, it's a shamed it changed, and tbh if it never did change, i'd still be playing it til this day, but that's simply not the case. And you also have to remember there are some FFXI players that also enjoy this game as well as the changes made in FFXI, so, again, you really can't use that as an argument.

[KittenStomper]

other point, FF14 v1 was close of FF11 and look what did happend... it's good to be nostalgic, but be realist is better. the world of the mmorpg have change you cant' make a game like ff11 anymore, it will not work.

This is not entirely true and I'll tell you why.. FFXIV 1.0 was an atrociously half completed game with no intuitive path at all. It was pointless and without even auto attack and it required you to mash the attack button over and over. It wasnt until 6 months to a 1 year later AFTER Whats his face was kicked to the curb and Yoshi took over did it even become decent.

By this time the games name was so tarnished it was hardly even salvageable and THAT is why it did not succeed.. not because it was an FFXI clone, because it wasn't, it was a 7 legged monster from a planet of ooze that happened to be a similar color of the box are FFXI came in and that's it.

[KittenStomper]

your opinion is no more valid then anyone else, period. Be they a game jumper, casual, hardcore, FFXI, WoW, EQ1, or anything else. FFXI was a great game, it's a shamed it changed, and tbh if it never did change, i'd still be playing it til this day, but that's simply not the case. And you also have to remember there are some FFXI players that also enjoy this game as well as the changes made in FFXI, so, again, you really can't use that as an argument.

other long time FFXI players who have a different opinion than me are valid. Others who are game jumpers are hardly valid because as soon as they stop subbing to play a different game, SE will feel the same.