DD Nerfed

[ChickensEvil]

No but if they are running more dungeons they will ideally see that they do suck earlier on and attempt to fix it. Some of the low level duty finder dungeons are more difficult than the level 50 stuff we have.

See above post... But seriously, harder than level 50 stuff? If you are doing the level 50 content in the gear they expected you to be in, it is rather difficult to complete those dungeons. Sure you running around in your full DL set would have no issue running WP/AK/CM/Prae/etc... because you have completely and totally outgeared the content. WP has quite a bit of a DPS check and coordination check to it (in appropriate gear), AK - the wall, total DPS check and coordination, and the last boss is the same... etc...

Go put a group together in your 40+/AF1 gear and remove all that fancy DL/AK stuff and tell me how easy this same content is. Those who got to 50 first know what it used to be like... now if you hit 50 you can totally be straight carried in that gear so of course it seems "easy". The only "hard" dungeons pre-50 is sunken temple and that one with the chimera boss... everything else is total cake.

No but maybe one or two dungeon runs will get it into that thick THM's skull that he should attack the tanks target. :P

Apparently not... since you MUST do no less than 8 dungeons and 3 primals before hitting 50... I would say it takes more than 2 dungeons to fix a bad player... because bad players are just going to be bad... FATEs have nothing to do with it.

[Yolteotl]

See above post... But seriously, harder than level 50 stuff? If you are doing the level 50 content in the gear they expected you to be in, it is rather difficult to complete those dungeons.

Apparently not... since you MUST do no less than 8 dungeons and 3 primals before hitting 50... I would say it takes more than 2 dungeons to fix a bad player... because bad players are just going to be bad... FATEs have nothing to do with it.

Pretty sure he is talking about the lvl50 FATEs as compared to dungeons. And you are not required to progress very far in the storyline to level, and even if you do; you only do so one time not necessarily multiple jobs. So you mat learn how to heal caue you did ur storyline on cnj, but u still have no idea how to tank or combo without group content on the different roles.

[ChickensEvil]

Pretty sure he is talking about the lvl50 FATEs as compared to dungeons. And you are not required to progress very far in the storyline to level, and even if you do; you only do so one time not necessarily multiple jobs. So you mat learn how to heal caue you did ur storyline on cnj, but u still have no idea how to tank or combo without group content on the different roles.

Level 50 fishing is also easier than the lower level dungeons... not sure what your point there is... The only reason to do FATEs at 50 is spirit bonding and seals. If that was was he was referring to, then it is a misdirection of the argument, and makes the entire point invalid.

I'm pretty sure if you have ever done group content... ever... you understand that healers heal, tanks tank, and dps blow shit up. Just because I leveled as a DPS doesn't mean that if I never touch a dungeon on a healer until 50 I won't get the basic that if someone's health is getting low, I should probably throw a heal on them. So then you must be talking about how you are somehow learning to play your class, In which case I again redirect to my previous post which points out that you don't know how to play your class correctly at 50... until you hit 50.

Since I left it off in the above examples... lets use WHM, I am a good dilligent WHM, I waste 12-14 hours leveling slowly through dungeons because I really want to learn to play, I hit 50, pick up medica 2, and then instantly get called out for being bad and not managing my threat properly. What happened? I mean, I tried to let the game teach me how to play, because obviously dungeon grinding imparts some super special secret wisdom onto me, right? Wrong. How many WHM sit there on Titan and use Medica 2 before you hit the heart phase (really should wait until P5... but, still). Or use it before P2 of Garuda. These are pretty basic, "early" content. Nothing you did prior to this point TOLD you how to use that ability correctly, either A: someone has to tell you. B: you go ACTUALLY be a good player and research it. Or C: you someday learn through trial and error to not use that spell because it pulls insane threat.

For the record, every "newbie" WHM I have ever ran with I have had to tell them about the proper usage of medica 2. Did it matter how they got to 50? nope! But instructing them on level 50 play made them a much better player. That, that right there is the real solution to all of this. Good players helping new guys learn, instead of instantly thinking they must be bad because they leveled that class through FATEs.

[ChickensEvil]

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Also, that's precious coming from someone on a legacy server... when at one point the entire leveling process (including for crafting classes) was broken and practically everyone was maxing everything out in a very short time... I see you have EVERYTHING maxed out... not saying you did this... but let's just say I wouldn't be surprised... So sure, NOW you want the process slowed way down, because you already have everything maxed out... uh-huh. Again, maybe you did do everything through legitimate, non-broken means... but many of the people on your server did not.