Issues with Coil: Statics v. The Rest of Us

[darkstarpoet1]

Coil is not made for DF (as its not made to be accessible to the mass audience)
Coil is endgame which is tailored for an Endgame FC

FC's are not suppose to be social... so that is the community doing it wrong use linkshells to be social and FC for endgame

I believe the way coil is set up is fair and it makes sense

Just look at Titan DF and tell me what is the success rate on that... now if coil is harder can you imagine how the community will be in DF?

If you want to do Endgame get use to joining an Endgame FC that is how MMO's operate this isn't new

srsly entitled people

actually coil is meant for endgame fc's with exactly groups in multiples of 8. if you have 9 or 10 that want to even get in to try the content it leads to the other 8 being forced to exclude those leftovers. this causes friends that have developed over the course of time, including 1.0 ls mates, to split apart and not speak to each other anymore over it. you cannot claim that's not the case because it's the exact reason, myself, along with multiple other people left ck.

[Aldehido]

actually coil is meant for endgame fc's with exactly groups in multiples of 8. if you have 9 or 10 that want to even get in to try the content it leads to the other 8 being forced to exclude those leftovers. this causes friends that have developed over the course of time, including 1.0 ls mates, to split apart and not speak to each other anymore over it. you cannot claim that's not the case because it's the exact reason, myself, along with multiple other people left ck.

Uuuuh. This happens in every end-game in every game. Fights are tailored for x amount of people and you can have more in your group. It's the same thing as leaving someone behind because they suck and don't pay attention, they become a burden so they get left behind because they cannot catch up.

[darkstarpoet1]

Uuuuh. This happens in every end-game in every game. Fights are tailored for x amount of people and you can have more in your group. It's the same thing as leaving someone behind because they suck and don't pay attention, they become a burden so they get left behind because they cannot catch up.

it had nothing at all to do with being left behind because of being a lesser player. it had to do with being left behind because you weren't one of the first 8 to sign up. there's a big difference between being left behind for one for an event because of lact of room and being left behind while not even getting the chance to get experience in the fight at all.

[Aldehido]

it had nothing at all to do with being left behind because of being a lesser player. it had to do with being left behind because you weren't one of the first 8 to sign up. the difference between being left behind for one run is one thing, but when being left behind while not even getting the chance to get experience in the fight at all is completely different.

I'm throwing a comparison of people being left behind.
Let's change the numbers then... Ok. Let's say you got 10 ppl or 11 or anything not directly multiplied to 8 people. There are times in which you have to take X & Y member to achieve something because either they got there first, they're needed to achieve a certain goal, or just plain favoritism. While it's not fair, sometimes thats the way things roll. Same things happen IRL, you apply for a job, they have 200 spots 300 come and the most competitive get in, nothing we can do about it... fair? no.

[Aldehido]

And this isn't new. IDK if you played XI but taking for example BCNM99 only 18 ppl could join, linkshells had at times 30 to 40 members. Noone complained.

[Aleksandr]

Typically I form a shout party. We go in don't use VoIP and generally by the third or 4th attempt the people know the mechanics of the fight. As most of these are training fights we don't often when (someone typically shows up in AK) but experience is learned, fun is had and then they go off and win with someone else, form a static, run on coil 4... and where was I going with this?

[Thunderz]

actually coil is meant for endgame fc's with exactly groups in multiples of 8. if you have 9 or 10 that want to even get in to try the content it leads to the other 8 being forced to exclude those leftovers. this causes friends that have developed over the course of time, including 1.0 ls mates, to split apart and not speak to each other anymore over it. you cannot claim that's not the case because it's the exact reason, myself, along with multiple other people left ck.

We have 2 Coil statics running full time and a 3rd in the making

this sort of stuff takes time to take off

[darkstarpoet1]

I'm throwing a comparison of people being left behind.
Let's change the numbers then... Ok. Let's say you got 10 ppl or 11 or anything not directly multiplied to 8 people. There are times in which you have to take X & Y member to achieve something because either they got there first, they're needed to achieve a certain goal, or just plain favoritism. While it's not fair, sometimes thats the way things roll. Same things happen IRL, you apply for a job, they have 200 spots 300 come and the most competitive get in, nothing we can do about it... fair? no.

the point is not getting left out once. the point is that the content is locked to once a week for the static group and the rest of their members are neglected. doesn't sound like a good way to make or keep friends at all to me. using your analogy for a job it's like saying that when you didn't get that job you could never apply to that company ever again because you didn't get the job the first time you applied.

i remember stopping the work on my relic in 1.0 to help the same group of people to catch up. that helping others is what a mmo is meant to be about. doing things with others and helping friends. if shiny loot and e-peen means that much that it leads to excluding friends then i feel sorry for the people that want it to be that way.

[Grailer]

The Cap on mythology tomestones is really bad for casual gamers .

300 A week is fine but if you don't get 300 you lose it .

What should happen is you get 300 Added to the amount you can obtain . So if one week I am on holiday , the following week I can just play ALOT more and get 600 for that week , which is a lot of work but doable.


Basically Im paying money I don't want to be disadvantaged because I have a real life .

[Xellos2099]

And this isn't new. IDK if you played XI but taking for example BCNM99 only 18 ppl could join, linkshells had at times 30 to 40 members. Noone complained.

That's different, back then in ks 99, people STILL can get rotated in even when there is a limited of 18 people. I also dislike the way coil work. It only work with a fc that is in a multiple of 8. In short, is anti-friend, anti- group. It can be said coil is the destroyer of fc and friends. FC are a group of people who work toward a single goal or just want to run stuff together, usually they are friends too. However, when friends can't no longer run stuff together, it cause problems. When you join a fc and can't run stuff with friends, its sole purpose is gone. I seen people leave their fc because they can never in one of the coil group. The problem is bigger than people thinks since it doesn't affect the people are are already in a coil group. It cast a seed of distrust among friends.