The Solo disease?

[Griss]

I like to Lone wolf it most of the time. I find my self drawn to things that i can generally do on my own time and at my own pace. That being said, Every memorable moment i have ever had in a mmo has involved interacting with other players.

Being able to solo is very good for some activity's like ranking/leveling up doing quests and events. But downing a pain in the ass mob/nm/boss, or finishing something like xi's Cop (pre cap removal) like a good wine is something best enjoyed with friends. But if your Judo is strong enough and you know the mechanics of the game inside and out and are capable of soloing something designed expressly for groups. Man more power to you

(yea i know i got a bit off topic there)

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Seph you are minsuderstanding me completely. There is a difference here that you are not seeing. Idm a solo'er. I mind a personm who "hates grouping" there is a difference to that. tdj just admitted to "dislikeing groups" which is a negative vibe to enter in an mmo which is comminuty based. the "dislike grouping" goes against community play. I hope you understand me this time. I'm not trying to give off that I hate solo'ers. I just hate people who join mmo while at the same time HATE GROUPING.

Which is why people are going off on TDJ. It isn't the solo'er we dislike. It is those who come into mmo and HATE GROUPING. most solo'er do both.

[Ayerc]

Actually the jobs are for high end content and classes for casual conent. Not just for solo'ers. And there is a difference to what I said. There is a difference between a solo-ble mmo. And a solo friendly mmo.
I dislike solo-able mmo.

Actually...

Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying.

In practice, players will find the existing classes effective when playing solo or in certain party setups. Jobs, however, will shine in party situations where specific skill sets are demanded.

Yes, not just for soloists, but when playing solo, I doubt you'll want to be playing a job rather than a class.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I must've missed where the OP demanded change to the game and was whining about it not being solo friendly. Whatever, I do both and really enjoy solo over a zerg-fest sometimes. Gotta admit though, spending any significant amount of time on this or other FFXIV forums does build a better case for soloing. = D

Rreread what he said about more solo content, solo style of similar group connent and comming into mmo as someone who doesn't group up with other people.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Actually...



Yes, not just for soloists, but when playing solo, I doubt you'll want to be playing a job rather than a class.

I'm right though if you read it. More often then not end game is where people need to be specialized. Or on certain leveling mobs. But leveling is (and should be) casual partying.

[Ayerc]

I'm right though if you read it. More often then not end game is where people need to be specialized. Or on certain leveling mobs. But leveling is (and should be) casual partying.

If you need to be right, then call yourself right. I'm not going to try to explain to you why I posted it, or how it was relevant to what you posted prior, or what it has to do with the discussion at hand, that'd be a waste of my time.

[kurokawa]

Hi, my name is thedevilsjester and I am a soloist.

I see a lot of hate for solo players in almost every MMORPG. I had hoped that FFXIV, being very solo friendly would be a haven for the soloist because we have been officially "accepted", unfortunately even those who defend solo players, do so with the back of their hand.

Solo players, apparently, only solo because they do not have time for larger/group content, or just cannot find a group to play with. It seems as if playing solo is some kind of ailment that we would all love to be cured of.

Its not. I play solo because I like to play solo. I have plenty of time on my hands, and could find a group easily if I wanted one. I don't. In fact, unless friends need help doing something, or I have no choice in the matter, I do not group at all, and will often turn groups down because I simply do not want to play with other people.

Why play an MMO then? Because off-line RPG's do not even come close to the splendour, size, and sheer awesomeness that MMORPG's do, and probably never will. And, even though, as a soloist, I like to play the game by myself, that doesn't mean that I want to play in a lifeless empty world. I want my game world populated, and to feel alive, I just don't want to play with anyone. If I have to put up with an occasional group to play in such a world, its a price I am willing to pay.

Sorry for the...rant, I just ran into too many "hate the soloist" topics today, and needed to vent!

Hopefully those who just cannot understand why someone would play solo (trust me, I feel the same way about groups), can take something from this to better understand a soloists reasons for playing an MMORPG.

I....think....you need....to make....some friends......

That's what makes the world go round....

Try it, we won't bite.

Soling is great, but once you make some 'real' friends in game, you'll very rarely solo again.

I think soloists are just scared of groups. I used to be one.

Come here. .../hugs....

HUGS GODAMMIT

[ZephyrAM]

Seph you are minsuderstanding me completely. There is a difference here that you are not seeing. Idm a solo'er. I mind a personm who "hates grouping" there is a difference to that. tdj just admitted to "dislikeing groups" which is a negative vibe to enter in an mmo which is comminuty based. the "dislike grouping" goes against community play. I hope you understand me this time. I'm not trying to give off that I hate solo'ers. I just hate people who join mmo while at the same time HATE GROUPING.

Which is why people are going off on TDJ. It isn't the solo'er we dislike. It is those who come into mmo and HATE GROUPING. most solo'er do both.

Okay, fair enough; however, I'm not trying to say that you 'hate' soloers, or soloing for that matter, just that you don't want the content in an MMO to be either soloable or group...able. It's that option to be able to do either one throughout the game that's being looked at here, rather then being forced into a group in order to actually accomplish anything.

Do I group? Sure, at time. After all, I'm in an awesome LS (^_-) and it can be fun to take on harder stuff as a team. However, I also greatly enjoy being able to explore, fight, and achieve things in game solo, and not just on mindless leveling mobs, but end game as well. Everything of note should not 'require' a group to accomplish.. and moreover, there's nothing wrong being able to accomplish 'most' things by yourself. You don't 'have' to group in order to play an MMO, I suppose is the main point.

It's enjoyable to go where I want, when I want, and do what I want, while at the same time engaging in hilarious or just interesting chat over the LS. It's about not being 'alone', while still doing things by yourself. Because it's just as much fun.

Edit: Missed an important point... 'and do it at my own pace'.

[Aver]

I can see both sides- in FFXI there were often times when I'd be like "Ugh I just want to go out and do x y z by myself". That is part of the reason why I leveled Beastmaster to 85 before I quit; I had so much fun just going out and exploring, beating mobs up and not having to rely on others. If I died then it was through my own stupidity or pushing it a little too close to the wire!

I had other jobs that were for partying, endgame events or helping people out in groups, but with some of the people you come across sometimes you just can't stomach the possibiltiy of encountering stupidity, selfishness or laziness by being in a random group of people you just don't know. Of course not everyone is like that and it is probably unfair for me to put it like that (but I'm sure everyone has come across these type of people at some time or another!), and partying with others and helping random people out is a great way to make friends.

If you want to solo, I don't see the problem with it. Of course there will be things that you will not be able to do just on your own, but if that's good with you or you decide to party with people at that point to get the job done then I see no difference ^^

This, but with RDM for me. I loved soloing campaign before the cap increase.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

idm a solo friendly mmo just not a soloable mmo. Those mmo only have solo aspects and if you choose to want to group you are pretty much laughed off the game. No one groups in solo-able mmo. Trust me I played more then my fair share of them.
Pretty much there is again a huge difference between a solo-able mmo and a solo friendly mmo. As well as a solo'er and those who play mmo but hate grouping. If you read tdj posts slowly, he wants a solo-able mmo. He doesn't want to grpup with anyone. And is the reason why we are getting on his case. Hos comments are a slap in the face to community games. MMorpg are about community teamwork. Not just grouping but buying and selling items to eachother or trading items for other items. The way tdj is writing is he/she doesn't want to be apart of that really.