The Solo disease?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

But OP never said anything about wanting to make FFXIV more soloable.

Actually, yes he did several times. He asked for content to be scale-able much like levequests. So there is a solo side and a group side. And it was also stated many times that the issue with this, is if something can be solo, it will infact be solo'ed. People will take the "faster" way ofer the "fun" way. Any day. AkA they will solo more the group. And with those who want to group no matter will get mocked for "taking the easy way"

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Hello, first time poster, long time lurker. Bout time i got off my lazy butt and started contributing to the community.

Soloing has always been around. In the early days of mmo's (UO, everquest, DAoC), farming and Xping has been the primary purpose of soloing. In fact FFxi was the first mmo i had ever come across that was a group only game.

I solo for the above reasons, i have to be in a frame of mind these days to grind like that and unless you are a good friend in need of help, then no amount of requesting is going to pull me away from it. Its a frame of mind but like all my various different frames of mind (there are many), I am completely focused on it and would rather not be pulled away from it.

You might say that i can come back to it later, but in all my experience playing mmos, there is no later. you, one person is asking, you might say, but as you also say, we are playing an mmo with thousands of people, all of them wanting to make those same requests.

I farm by myself. I am unlucky with numbers (which is why i do not gamble) and always lose in gambling. i could have 50/50 odds and still lose. When i kill something solo, its loot is mine. When i kill something in a group i have to split it.

I remember my last few days of FFxi with my 32 whm still wearing lvl 12 gear as the only income i seemed to get was just enough to buy the neccessary spells to play my character decently. i was always broke and could just keep up with spells. I wished I could set up a LFG flag and run off to farm while i waited. Instead i had to wait, wait, wait. etc. get in a group and lose all the rolls on the loot.

People solo, i solo for various reasons. We all play diferrently. Guess what, we are all individuals and play games differently. Try being tolerent of different peoples playstyles, worry about yourself and not what someone else is doing.

Now before you rip me a new one. Let me add, that although i do farm by myself i enjoy group play content as well. I enjoy to group with friends but i detest being forced to group with strangers as i have had bad experiences with bad grps. FFxi brings back memories of bad grps. And even WoW.

I would like to group with friends and guildies/LS members. I don't want constant random stranger requests for groups just for the sake of grouping. i would never get anything done like that. And Yes, there are ways to make new friends by ignoring or turning down random requests. I want quality of friends, not quantity.

Its not being rude, its being focused on the task at hand.

[thedevilsjester]

Actually, the OP does make an argument for MMOs being 100% soloable in a previous post of theirs where they ask why *shouldn't* all content be soloable.

I never say such a thing and in fact I make it a point to say numerous times that there is plenty of content that I do not think should be soloable.

What I do say (and I assume is the phrase that continues to be misinterpreted) is simply that many people can only see one extreme or another. Its either a group game with solo content, or a solo game with group content. And I pose the question asking why it has to be one or the other. This is a general observation and isn't targeted at any game in particular, just at the frame of mind that some people tend to have that it has to be either one or the other. You can quite easily have a game that is not group or solo centric (a nice hybrid), yet provides good content for both play styles. It is my humble opinion that FFXIV falls nicely into this category and doesnt need to be changed at all.

To sum it up, since I seem to have to every few posts: I do not think that everything should be soloable, nor do I think that FFXIV should change one bit to cater more to soloers.

[Bled]

I never say such a thing and in fact I make it a point to say numerous times that there is plenty of content that I do not think should be soloable.

What I do say (and I assume is the phrase that continues to be misinterpreted) is simply that many people can only see one extreme or another. Its either a group game with solo content, or a solo game with group content. And I pose the question asking why it has to be one or the other. This is a general observation and isn't targeted at any game in particular, just at the frame of mind that some people tend to have that it has to be either one or the other. You can quite easily have a game that is not group or solo centric (a nice hybrid), yet provides good content for both play styles. It is my humble opinion that FFXIV falls nicely into this category and doesnt need to be changed at all.

To sum it up, since I seem to have to every few posts: I do not think that everything should be soloable, nor do I think that FFXIV should change one bit to cater more to soloers.

Just make the bolded section your sig lol

[Preypacer]

I never say such a thing and in fact I make it a point to say numerous times that there is plenty of content that I do not think should be soloable.

Ahhh... Begging your pardon, but yes you did, in post #13 of this thread you said the following - a direct copied-and-pasted quote - in response to a statement Dubont makes in post #6 about how FFXIV has solo content but is not going to be 100% soloable...

Dubont:

Yes, it is solo friendly and will have solo content, but the game isn't going to be 100% soloable.

You:

Why not? Why is the only option a group game that you can solo in, or a solo game that you can group in?

What makes grouping so special that groups should get what soloists shouldn't? If I put in the same amount of effort (or more) as a soloist as you do in a group, shouldn't I be entitled to the same rewards? Is your time or effort more valuable just because you had other people to help you?

This isn't to say that soloist should be handed anything, quite the opposite, I like to be challenged, and if done right, scalable quests and instances can provide an equal challenge to a party or a soloist with equal rewards. It doesn't have to be a game designed for one or the other, we can coexist.

You are outright questioning why all content shouldn't be soloable; why it shouldn't scale so that a solo player can do everything and it's not "group only".

You do argue that it should balance nicely between grouping and solo and not be "one extreme or the other". However, that reads more like an attempt to soften your real issue, which is clearly voiced from the soloers point-of-view, and is slanted quite clearly in favor of soloing.

To put it another way, let me ask you this question, and please answer it honestly.

Would you be so moved as to create a thread like this one, making the statements you have, if FFXIV was made entirely soloable? Would you care at all if the game had no group-focused content at all? Would you still feel so compelled to voice your 'concerns'? Or would you be relieved that "finally" there's a game that fully supports your playstyle?

I'm gonna take what I think is a safe bet here and say it wouldn't trouble you in the least.

To sum it up, since I seem to have to every few posts: I do not think that everything should be soloable, nor do I think that FFXIV should change one bit to cater more to soloers.

Now you're contradicting yourself.

First you ask why all content shouldn't scale so that it can be done solo. Now you're claiming that not all content should be soloable nor that FFXIV should cater more to soloers.

Right... So what, then, is your actual complaint?

Kinda hard to defend your position when you can't even argue it consistently. Why don't you take a moment and figure out what your position actually is, and then come back and try again when you've figured it out.

[Amage]

Ahhh... Begging your pardon, but yes you did, in post #13 of this thread you said the following - a direct copied-and-pasted quote - in response to a statement Dubont makes in post #6 about how FFXIV has solo content but is not going to be 100% soloable...

Dubont: You: You are outright questioning why all content shouldn't be soloable; why it shouldn't scale so that a solo player can do everything and it's not "group only".

You do argue that it should balance nicely between grouping and solo and not be "one extreme or the other". However, that reads more like an attempt to soften your real issue, which is clearly voiced from the soloers point-of-view, and is slanted quite clearly in favor of soloing.

To put it another way, let me ask you this question, and please answer it honestly.

Would you be so moved as to create a thread like this one, making the statements you have, if FFXIV was made entirely soloable? Would you care at all if the game had no group-focused content at all? Would you still feel so compelled to voice your 'concerns'? Or would you be relieved that "finally" there's a game that fully supports your playstyle?

I'm gonna take what I think is a safe bet here and say it wouldn't trouble you in the least.

Now you're contradicting yourself.

First you ask why all content shouldn't scale so that it can be done solo. Now you're claiming that not all content should be soloable nor that FFXIV should cater more to soloers.

Right... So what, then, is your actual complaint?

Kinda hard to defend your position when you can't even argue it consistently. Why don't you take a moment and figure out what your position actually is, and then come back and try again when you've figured it out.

OHHHHHHHHHH SNAP!!!!!!!

[Griss]

I like to Lone wolf it most of the time. I find my self drawn to things that i can generally do on my own time and at my own pace. That being said, Every memorable moment i have ever had in a mmo has involved interacting with other players.

Being able to solo is very good for some activity's like ranking/leveling up doing quests and events. But downing a pain in the ass mob/nm/boss, or finishing something like xi's Cop (pre cap removal) like a good wine is something best enjoyed with friends. But if your Judo is strong enough and you know the mechanics of the game inside and out and are capable of soloing something designed expressly for groups. Man more power to you

(yea i know i got a bit off topic there)

[kurokawa]

Hi, my name is thedevilsjester and I am a soloist.

I see a lot of hate for solo players in almost every MMORPG. I had hoped that FFXIV, being very solo friendly would be a haven for the soloist because we have been officially "accepted", unfortunately even those who defend solo players, do so with the back of their hand.

Solo players, apparently, only solo because they do not have time for larger/group content, or just cannot find a group to play with. It seems as if playing solo is some kind of ailment that we would all love to be cured of.

Its not. I play solo because I like to play solo. I have plenty of time on my hands, and could find a group easily if I wanted one. I don't. In fact, unless friends need help doing something, or I have no choice in the matter, I do not group at all, and will often turn groups down because I simply do not want to play with other people.

Why play an MMO then? Because off-line RPG's do not even come close to the splendour, size, and sheer awesomeness that MMORPG's do, and probably never will. And, even though, as a soloist, I like to play the game by myself, that doesn't mean that I want to play in a lifeless empty world. I want my game world populated, and to feel alive, I just don't want to play with anyone. If I have to put up with an occasional group to play in such a world, its a price I am willing to pay.

Sorry for the...rant, I just ran into too many "hate the soloist" topics today, and needed to vent!

Hopefully those who just cannot understand why someone would play solo (trust me, I feel the same way about groups), can take something from this to better understand a soloists reasons for playing an MMORPG.

I....think....you need....to make....some friends......

That's what makes the world go round....

Try it, we won't bite.

Soling is great, but once you make some 'real' friends in game, you'll very rarely solo again.

I think soloists are just scared of groups. I used to be one.

Come here. .../hugs....

HUGS GODAMMIT

[Xandre]

I....think....you need....to make....some friends......

That's what makes the world go round....

Try it, we won't bite.

Soling is great, but once you make some 'real' friends in game, you'll very rarely solo again.

I think soloists are just scared of groups. I used to be one.

Come here. .../hugs....

HUGS GODAMMIT

There is some truth to this.
/hug

[Kilta_Firelotus]

idm a solo friendly mmo just not a soloable mmo. Those mmo only have solo aspects and if you choose to want to group you are pretty much laughed off the game. No one groups in solo-able mmo. Trust me I played more then my fair share of them.
Pretty much there is again a huge difference between a solo-able mmo and a solo friendly mmo. As well as a solo'er and those who play mmo but hate grouping. If you read tdj posts slowly, he wants a solo-able mmo. He doesn't want to grpup with anyone. And is the reason why we are getting on his case. Hos comments are a slap in the face to community games. MMorpg are about community teamwork. Not just grouping but buying and selling items to eachother or trading items for other items. The way tdj is writing is he/she doesn't want to be apart of that really.