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    Steeled's Avatar
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    Not to sound mean, but I don't see anywhere in the story where the guy actually improved. I hoped that the story would end in the OP taking the refitted warrior to a raid and seeing him compete with the top dps in the group.

    And further, I hate to sound mean, but stamina gemming on warrior DPS (that's precisely as bad as HP gemming/enchanting/whatever would seem in most games) is so cliche it makes it hard to believe. The warrior in the story claims that he followed all the resources linked to him. Every dps warrior resource will talk about the proper gems, and what gem-bonuses are worth pursuing.

    I think we've all met them though, the people just incapable of improving..the ones that just...you can tell them time and time again and they let it go in one ear and out the other.
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    Venti Moccacino
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeled View Post
    Not to sound mean, but I don't see anywhere in the story where the guy actually improved. I hoped that the story would end in the OP taking the refitted warrior to a raid and seeing him compete with the top dps in the group.

    I think we've all met them though, the people just incapable of improving..the ones that just...you can tell them time and time again and they let it go in one ear and out the other.
    There are different mentalities in the world, most of us have a competitive attitude with games. some do not. The case with this player was that he was just looking for a place to hang out, have fun and meet people, he was not there to "win" or be the "best".
    You well know the Korean culture is very strict when it comes to succeeding/working and making something out of yourself, I am sure this man was not going to repeat that stern way of living on the only place that allowed him to do whatever he wanted.
    I think the story shows that we are forgetting ourselves when there is a barrier between people, when our face is not shown we show our true colors, our true spirit. Isn't it scary to realize that in truth you are a horrible person in heart when our everyday facade is removed?
    You are right, some people just can not play these types of games, but I think we will have a much better time if we get to know this people just a tiny bit and help them play along with us, yes we will never be competitive with them on tow, but it is not important compared to the happiness we bring to strangers.

    Have you not ever had a moment when you wish people would have been at least a bit sympathetic?
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    Rei Munashii
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    The lesson here is that a person who is bad at a game, whether because it's not their type of game or because they're slow at learning, does not deserve to be hated and ostracized by the community at large. I know this is the internet, but I still believe that treating people a certain way you wouldn't in person shouldn't be acceptable online either. Try to justify it any way you want, but you can tell a lot about a person by how s/he treats others and to me, you're a second rate human being if that is how you act.

    Personally, I find elitists to be boring to play with. Successful, sure, but boring. I remember clawing my way to the top of FF11 to join an HNMLS only to bow out gracefully a few weeks in when my great experience up to that point turned into me being pulled out of any and everything I enjoyed to sit in Dragon's Aery, Behemoth's Dominion and Valley of Sorrows for X amount of minutes/hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argent_Wings View Post
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    From my experience, I find that these online arrogant elitists or trash talkers are generally people who really have nothing going for them outside the specific game. Their only "real accomplishments" or "glory" can only be obtained on a game because they cannot achieve something more worthwhile offline. Also a lot of these jerks are also people who wouldn't pull off their d-bag attitudes in real life because they know they cannot get away with it. I remember some of these types of people sending me pics of what they look like IRL - majority of them looked like they couldn't hurt a fly or shady in general (i.e. sociopath, creepy) lol...

    Because this is the internet, however, it essentially opens the door for people to act or be what they cannot be offline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmcsky View Post
    I think the story shows that we are forgetting ourselves when there is a barrier between people, when our face is not shown we show our true colors, our true spirit. Isn't it scary to realize that in truth you are a horrible person in heart when our everyday facade is removed?
    I realize that you don't mean me directly when you say "you". I'm actually pretty forgiving and generous myself. A very geared random whm and I spent an hour wiping to the final boss of AK last night, trying to teach these two dps how to beat it and they could not learn. Towards the end, we were just hoping that maybe RNG would favor the whm with tethers. It never happened that way though :/

    You are right, some people just can not play these types of games, but I think we will have a much better time if we get to know this people just a tiny bit and help them play along with us, yes we will never be competitive with them on tow, but it is not important compared to the happiness we bring to strangers.
    I think the same. When I can carry people, I don't mind to. I favor classes that have the strength the carry others (Ochain Paladin in XI, Disc Priest/Restro Druid/Prot Paladin in Warcraft). When it's not needed, I can have fun, but when it's needed, I can supplement them and usually make sure they live, however there are some encounters that cannot be done if everyone is not pulling their weight or are very difficult. (dragon boss of AK for instance, demon wall is tough to 3 man but doable).

    Have you not ever had a moment when you wish people would have been at least a bit sympathetic?
    Yep, I've made mistakes too and always hate when people won't give me a chance to learn. My first 50 was a Paladin, and my first six AKs, people disbanded before we got to the first giant (4 disbanded before we moved) because I didn't know what a (pre-patch) speed run was or how to do it. Remembering episodes like that, I always try to be lenient with people, but I have run in to people who make it apparent they're not going to listen and even get offended when you try to offer help.

    After a regen before each of the first four pulls of one AK, I asked the whm not to regen me before a pull or towards the end of a pull, and the response I got was "don't tell me how to play, and I won't tell you".

    I have known people like this warrior and presently still do, people that you take with because they're Really Nice Guys but you know your friends are going to have to carry them and some of them, I wouldn't take to fights where I know that a person's misaction is capable of wiping the group.
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