So you're bragging about tanking the first boss fight in coil - which at five stacks is admittedly impressive - but nobody worth listening to said you can't. I was with you up until you began to demonstrate an impressive degree of ignorance - despite your continued comments in this specific sub-forum - surrounding the WAR v. PLD debate and somehow think your anecdotal evidence undoes the entire founding principle of the game, Mathematics. Magically closing the gap between WAR and PLD. This isn't a question of subjectivity, but pure efficiency at their role.
Additionally, Warrior's deal with burst less well due to their inability to pop a 'good' proactive cool-down in the face of high-burst (IB doesn't help if you get gibbed; PLD cool-downs help you not get gibbed to begin with) and their worse indirect scaling with healing. They both have the same EHP (this is factual). IB tapers off once DTPS gets too high, before that IB is the best thing ever (yay)!
They aren't even close in progression raiding. The fact that it's possible with a WAR does not undo this. PLD's are already over the edge, the buffs will just make WAR's equal to PLD's in terms of being over the edge.
Beating the dead-horse here, the argument is beginning to look like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0
And I know you respond well to moving pictures :>
Last edited by RapBreon; 11-03-2013 at 03:58 PM.

0/10
Done arguing with yourself yet?
The point still stands, Warriors are strong enough without the buff. If they want to fix something, nerf the paladin. The changes to warrior are going to send it noticeably over the top when comparing the two and currently the difference between the two classes is not enough to warrant a massive overhaul to warriors like Y.P. Suggests.
Paladins right now are flawed and encourage sloppy play by poor players. Making the game worse by buffing warriors instead of toning down paladins just encourages this terrible trend.
Honestly, if we wanted a watered down and easy game, we'd all be playing World of Warcraft. If you think your approach is acceptable, maybe you should go back.
Oh, and last I checked, wasn't it Y.P. who said that the fight (Turn 1) wasn't intended for tanks to survive past 3 stacks and that Paladins could while Warriors couldn't? So I guess that would be somebody..
Last edited by wonka11; 11-03-2013 at 04:53 PM.
If they're getting killed before 4 stacks and not using their cooldowns properly due to "RNG crits" either the healers suck or the tanks suck. If they're not holding onto some cooldowns for 4 stacks then they're bad tanks, especially Awareness which only should be used at the start and again at 4 stacks. It doesn't NEED to last long because after Awareness ends the PLD should be cycling cooldowns and the WAR should have Infuriate/ToB up for use until their respective snake is dead.
Also.
Hallowed Ground. Just... Hallowed Ground. On top of that, how bad are you that you can't tick regen/adloquium on the Bard for 2 seconds without the tanks magically dying to all these magical RNG crits? How bad are your tanks in the same regard? Is there 0 communication going on, do you not tell them "brb gotta make a sandwich and heal the DPS" before you go and do it? Unless they get crit after crit after crit after crit neither should be just magically dying. I love playing WAR and PLD is fun, but honestly there is no reason to think WAR either healing himself for 1.Xk after a crit is magically better than a PLD popping Sentinel/Hallowed Ground/Conv/Sent + Rampart/etc. Even if it did, that alleviates you of one problem the whole fight but there are many others that will come up for the WAR and not the PLD.

no ones currs

You just haven't caught on yet, have you?
Edit: Use of one liner appropriate for the situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
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Last edited by wonka11; 11-03-2013 at 05:56 PM.

So for context sakes, and by your own admonition, perhaps you should illuminate as what specifically you were "up with me" until my "impressive degree of ignorance". Grammatically, are you "up with me" in the aspect that I'm bragging about five stacks and you're saying that is impressive? Or were you "up with me" about my position that Warriors are fine and 2.1 is going to send us over the threshold and make us more competitive than Paladin tanks, or that Paladin tanks should be nerfed and warriors not buffed; because one of those qualifies as an argument.
Lets say you're not with the later, but the former. Yet, if this is the case, how would any sort of misguided information or logical fallacy that I may commit somehow deter you from thinking that the idea of a Warrior tanking 5 stacks is now somehow unimpressive? I mean, if I am being charitable I have to assume you wouldn't propose a change of position based on this particular subject because of a lack of logic. It is clear that whatever my position may be, as invalid as it may be, in the correct context tanking T1 with 5 stacks as a warrior is still to you 'impressive'. Only a bumbling, temperamental, dunce would make such an emotional shift in position between two variables which are not related in this example.
I must then, logically, irrevocably assume your comment is then directed toward my assertion that Warriors are fine as they are, and 2.1 will draw the unwashed masses of skilless dps complex bard and horrible dragoons to the class. There really is no other interpretation for your comment within the context of the presupposed statements; unless of course neither is the issue and you're just spamming the entire thread with nonsense so inane and inconsequential that one would be led to believe that you're living with assistance for your mental aptitude.
logically at this point we can assume only one of three outcomes:
A) You're letting your emotions cloud your sense of logic
B) You really are proposing ad-hominem in regards to sentence context
C) You're just posting useless rubbish out of content and displaying a lack of cognitive ability of which an 8th grader possesses.
Yet, do you know what the beauty, the inexplicable and exceptional detail as to which defines your whole interaction in context to what I am writing?
None of this has anything to do with the point I am trying to convey using you as the example. You haven't even the faintest idea as to what I am attempting to accomplish nor the hints I'm even giving you throughout this entire thread to illustrate the satire.
I'll point some out since you can't put it together and maybe another poster can deduct exactly what this puzzle's answer is (and let us be honest, you're here because you're killing time, you may as well try to figure it out):
Stick Man argument
Intentional use of one liners with a common trait shared by each
Use of Jpeg/Youtube in a specific manner
Reference to internet crusading
Reference to inane comments
Ad-Hominem
There is a 150,000 gil bet riding on this right now, and it looks like I'm going to win it.
Last edited by wonka11; 11-03-2013 at 08:01 PM.

Our warrior did it t1 and t2 with 3 pieces of AF armor. Not AF2 not AK...AF.
Get on his level. :>
But GJ! Lead the army of warriors and spread your wings show people warriors ARE USEFUL. Do ittttt!!! Unicorn powers awayyyyy.
"Only the victors are allowed to live. This world is merciless like that."-Mikasa Ackerman
"Wouldn't it be good to forget everything even if it's just for tonight? Indulge in pleasure...breathe a sweet poison deep into your lungs."
"Hatred and sorrow are power. They are yours to control. All you have to do is turn them into strength and use that strength to move forward." ~Sebastian Michaelis
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