Titan is hard because your camera isn't zoomed out, not because of server-side delays

[Grailer]

if titan is so hard then how come I have my relic ?

[Asmodeus]

if titan is so hard then how come I have my relic ?

Your statement has nothing to do with the issue under discussion here, guess your in group C too!

[Sebazy]

Myself and others have been vocal about this since the betas and they did improve on the problem but not enough.

The thing is, I firmly believe the 300ms poll rate is there to ease load on the inadequate server infrastructure that they already have in place. Plus from my time on US WoW/Swtor servers I'm of the opinion that simple transatlantic latency is the bigger issue here. Rather than shouting at SE to improve the netcode, it'd be more productive to yell at the finance department to invest in a proper EU server group.

[Allyra]

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I live in Southern CA. It's is not just transatlantic issues. It's productive to yell at them to spread there servers out + get them to help us push companies like Tata Communications (the Southern California hop that is throttling) to fix their issues. Which is what the majority of these threads have been about. What ISN'T beneficial, is people coming in saying "l2p, lol there is no issue you are just bad." Rather than dividing the community, people should be trying to team up and help SE realize just how much of an issue this is. For those that don't have these issues, it still helps you to support our cause because the sooner this gets resolved, the less wipes you'll see from PUGs (not that this will go away completely, I am not denying there are bads. But I'd rather bads be bad because they are bad, not bads be bad because of throttling issues.)

[ispano]

I called him out because he needed to be called out. Myself and others have been vocal about this since the betas and they did improve on the problem but not enough. Now that betas are done it is becoming increasingly difficult to get any attention by the proper people on this issue because of people like him and yourself.

It's pretty clear you both belong to group C. See here for an explantion.

You may wish to add more groups to that. Because there are most certainly people who don't fit into any of them. I've had very little issue dodging mechanics on Titan, with ~200ms latency no less. I've dodged them when the server was lagging since I knew they were coming based on his rotation. Does that mean the servers are perfect? No. There are issues, the .3 second positional updates work, but could easily be better. HOWEVER. That doesn't mean people's connections aren't at issue either, or their ISP, or the route to the servers which SE has no control over, or many other things that could be an issue but will get brushed aside as being SE's problem to deal with.

[LiadansWhisper]

You may wish to add more groups to that. Because there are most certainly people who don't fit into any of them. I've had very little issue dodging mechanics on Titan, with ~200ms latency no less. I've dodged them when the server was lagging since I knew they were coming based on his rotation. Does that mean the servers are perfect? No. There are issues, the .3 second positional updates work, but could easily be better. HOWEVER. That doesn't mean people's connections aren't at issue either, or their ISP, or the route to the servers which SE has no control over, or many other things that could be an issue but will get brushed aside as being SE's problem to deal with.

^^ Is basically what I was getting at. It's also true that what happens on my screen in terms of what other players are doing is not necessarily what is happening on the other players' screens.

[Iskander]

I have 3 relics and working towards number 4 and I can say for a fact that the issue isn't because of the camera zoom. I always keep the camera zoomed out at max in order to see everything. There have been times where there has been no lag in the fight, and times when I can get out of attacks and be in the middle of attacking/casting and then die from plumes that I was already out of. I've been knocked off of the platform from landslides that I've gotten out of and running alongside and still been killed.

The lag isn't always with titan though. There have been times when I've done an attack or casted a spell and I can't do anything for 1-3 seconds because the server hasn't updated that the attack is finished and the mp/tp needs to be deducted.

[ispano]

^^ Is basically what I was getting at. It's also true that what happens on my screen in terms of what other players are doing is not necessarily what is happening on the other players' screens.

This is correct and has been proven, as a server sync/delay/whathaveyou issue. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29

[Tupsi]

I live in Southern CA.

Same, where about? What data package? Granted I use Charter but I'm having no issues in this regard - and since we can't brush aside variables, I know Charter doesn't throttle P2P traffic, at least with what I'm signed up for.

Rather than dividing the community, people should be trying to team up and help SE realize just how much of an issue this is.

This is what some people don't get - While you have people who have issues you have equally as many if not more who do not, how can you expect people to "come together" and basically say "yes there's a problem" if they've personally not had it or seen it? So "coming together" about this won't happen unless it's a universal problem, since you have a group of people who say SMN is a worthless class, then you have a group that says it's amazing - Are we going to "come together" to get SMN fixed because the vocal crowd says it's bad? Issues like this have a lot of variables because it's not affecting everyone, so we can't really expect SE to "fix" what is clearly out of their hands. The only "mistake" they did was probably making this game's traffic act as P2P in a time when ISPs throttle it, which would probably take quite the overhaul in certain parts to rectify.

[Allyra]

Same, where about? What data package? Granted I use Charter but I'm having no issues in this regard - and since we can't brush aside variables, I know Charter doesn't throttle P2P traffic, at least with what I'm signed up for.

LA with Time Warner. We get routed through Tata. We have friends who live in OC who have AT&T that gets routed through Tata (also getting issues). We also have friends in Oceanside who have the same issue with Tata (I forget what service they have).

This is what some people don't get - While you have people who have issues you have equally as many if not more who do not, how can you expect people to "come together" and basically say "yes there's a problem" if they've personally not had it or seen it?

Everyone has seen it. There are videos.