Titan is hard because your camera isn't zoomed out, not because of server-side delays

[Allyra]

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I live in Southern CA. It's is not just transatlantic issues. It's productive to yell at them to spread there servers out + get them to help us push companies like Tata Communications (the Southern California hop that is throttling) to fix their issues. Which is what the majority of these threads have been about. What ISN'T beneficial, is people coming in saying "l2p, lol there is no issue you are just bad." Rather than dividing the community, people should be trying to team up and help SE realize just how much of an issue this is. For those that don't have these issues, it still helps you to support our cause because the sooner this gets resolved, the less wipes you'll see from PUGs (not that this will go away completely, I am not denying there are bads. But I'd rather bads be bad because they are bad, not bads be bad because of throttling issues.)

[Tupsi]

I live in Southern CA.

Same, where about? What data package? Granted I use Charter but I'm having no issues in this regard - and since we can't brush aside variables, I know Charter doesn't throttle P2P traffic, at least with what I'm signed up for.

Rather than dividing the community, people should be trying to team up and help SE realize just how much of an issue this is.

This is what some people don't get - While you have people who have issues you have equally as many if not more who do not, how can you expect people to "come together" and basically say "yes there's a problem" if they've personally not had it or seen it? So "coming together" about this won't happen unless it's a universal problem, since you have a group of people who say SMN is a worthless class, then you have a group that says it's amazing - Are we going to "come together" to get SMN fixed because the vocal crowd says it's bad? Issues like this have a lot of variables because it's not affecting everyone, so we can't really expect SE to "fix" what is clearly out of their hands. The only "mistake" they did was probably making this game's traffic act as P2P in a time when ISPs throttle it, which would probably take quite the overhaul in certain parts to rectify.

[Allyra]

Same, where about? What data package? Granted I use Charter but I'm having no issues in this regard - and since we can't brush aside variables, I know Charter doesn't throttle P2P traffic, at least with what I'm signed up for.

LA with Time Warner. We get routed through Tata. We have friends who live in OC who have AT&T that gets routed through Tata (also getting issues). We also have friends in Oceanside who have the same issue with Tata (I forget what service they have).

This is what some people don't get - While you have people who have issues you have equally as many if not more who do not, how can you expect people to "come together" and basically say "yes there's a problem" if they've personally not had it or seen it?

Everyone has seen it. There are videos.

[ispano]

Everyone has seen it. There are videos.

And that's what they're trying to say. Seeing it in a video from SOMEONE ELSE is not the same as having the issue yourself. All that says is that SOME people have an issue, and that can easily be an issue with something out of SE's control.

[Allyra]

And that's what they're trying to say. Seeing it in a video from SOMEONE ELSE is not the same as having the issue yourself. All that says is that SOME people have an issue, and that can easily be an issue with something out of SE's control.

What does that have to do with what you said?

You said people haven't seen it so won't side with us. That's ridiculous. There is enough videos to prove it's happening. The debate should only be on HOW it is happening, NOT whether it's actually happening.

Again (broken record) I never laid this fault 100% at SE's feet. However, SE has it in their power to a. contact the isps that are causing the problem b. change their client to compensate for the lag.

It is not an issue outside of their control. They may not be the cause, but they most certainly have ways to counter what's happening.

[ispano]

What does that have to do with what you said?

You said people haven't seen it so won't side with us. That's ridiculous. There is enough videos to prove it's happening. The debate should only be on HOW it is happening, NOT whether it's actually happening.

Again (broken record) I never laid this fault 100% at SE's feet. However, SE has it in their power to a. contact the isps that are causing the problem b. change their client to compensate for the lag.

It is not an issue outside of their control. They may not be the cause, but they most certainly have ways to counter what's happening.

I never said they wouldn't side with you. I said that because it's NOT happening to everyone, that pushes the potential issue AWAY from SE. Doesn't make it not their issue, just that it's now more likely to NOT be them. And no, there are plenty of network/internet issues that SE has 0 control over.

If, for an example, a router that some people have to go through is dropping packets. This router isn't part of your ISPs network, or the ISP SE uses, it's somewhere in the middle on someone elses network. Can SE call that company and tell them? Sure, doesn't mean much though since SE isn't their customer.

Also, lag compensation has drawbacks as well. Changing fights to help those with "lag" or connection issues, mostly just makes the fight easier for everyone else.

You didn't read my post. I did not say they have control over the internet, they have control over compensating for the issues.

I did read your post. I edit in everything over the limit after the fact.

[Allyra]

And no, there are plenty of network/internet issues that SE has 0 control over.

You didn't read my post. I did not say they have control over the internet, they have control over compensating for the issues.

[Allyra]

If, for an example, a router that some people have to go through is dropping packets. This router isn't part of your ISPs network, or the ISP SE uses, it's somewhere in the middle on someone elses network. Can SE call that company and tell them? Sure, doesn't mean much though since SE isn't their customer.

Yes it means something. Big cooperations can work with companies a lot more easily that we can. We don't pay Tata either, so which do you think is going to have a bigger say?

As a community rep already reported, they are already doing so but in europe.

Also, lag compensation has drawbacks as well. Changing fights to help those with "lag" or connection issues, mostly just makes the fight easier for everyone else.

They plan on nerfing titan anyway, I'd rather that be the nerf if it eases stress on players.

[Rochetm]

LA with Time Warner. We get routed through Tata. We have friends who live in OC who have AT&T that gets routed through Tata (also getting issues). We also have friends in Oceanside who have the same issue with Tata (I forget what service they have).





Everyone has seen it. There are videos.

Several years on the exact same connection and never had a problem with any other games. WoW I never get hit with anything. BF3 I dodge tank shells... FFXIV I randomly cannot dodge anything while other days nothing ever hits me. Sometimes it gets real fun and I go into a boss fight and get nailed by everything... we wipe and then I go an entire fight while never even being close to anything.

But yeah its my ISP cause someone on the forums says so.

[ispano]

Several years on the exact same connection and never had a problem with any other games. WoW I never get hit with anything. BF3 I dodge tank shells... FFXIV I randomly cannot dodge anything while other days nothing ever hits me. Sometimes it gets real fun and I go into a boss fight and get nailed by everything... we wipe and then I go an entire fight while never even being close to anything.

But yeah its my ISP cause someone on the forums says so.

Your ISP can be fine, and so can everything on SE's end, and you can still have a problem. That's the point some of us are trying to make. Too many think because they don't have other issues with their ISP or local connection, it MUST be SE. Could it be something SE can control? Sure. But that also doesn't mean it is something they can fix, or that they have the power to get it changed.