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  1. #201
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    ABOVE: I'll put it in Bold, you so you can read. Threat Title is WHM, not healer. Scholar is an utterly different beast.



    Overgeard, Static, SpeedRun, Farmed Dungeons...Dps your heart out as WHM.

    For the rest of the time, this thread is implying you SHOULD dps is just a horrid idea.

    Your toolkit includes amazing CC, heals, hate management, CDs..and yes DPS..but notice DPS was at the end.

    Anybody not Fate-Farming to 50 knows DF groups need TLC left and right, and DPS is a tool, but only one of them.

    Make people cognizant they can dps in OverGeared runs, sure. Good Job.

    Implying WHM are lazy or inferior for not DPS'ing in any other situation? Thats the problem with this thread.
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    Last edited by BlooMune; 11-01-2013 at 02:14 PM.

  2. #202
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    WHM, SCH, doesn't matter.

    I just DPS danced through Ifrit and Garuda as WHM. Holy > Swiftcast Holy murders plumes. Implying you can't or shouldn't is silly.
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  3. #203
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    Healers SHOULD:

    1. Heal
    2. Manage Threat.
    3. Manage Mana.

    Healers CAN:

    1. DPS
    2. CC
    3. Text their GF and call it lag.

    O wate, SCH doesn't worry as much about mana or hate, so DPS'ing is easier? Novel idea. But they're the same, right?

    You're not distinguishing challenging content from trivial content.

    And for you're basic healer looking for advice, telling them to DPS as a priority is crap advice.

    If you're talking about fresh endgame healers, then this has slight relevance, thats it.

    But implying some skill/awesomesauce for healers DPS'ing during weak/farmed content? C'mon.
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  4. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlooMune View Post
    You're not distinguishing challenging content from trivial content.
    I should hope I'm not, since it's pretty simple to do it in both.
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  5. #205
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    To the OP.
    You are the laziest healer I have ever seen and your holding your parties back.

    1. If you are a healer and you are standing around your wrong.
    2. If you are a healer and you are DPSing in an instance you are wrong.

    What you should be doing is growing a pair and telling your tank to pull more, telling your DPS to AoE more, and you as a healer should be Healing more.

    Healing is not hard people. If you pull more you will get through instances far faster than what you would stopping at every pull to DPS.

    The only instances that would require you to dps is if you literally cannot pull more and the healing is easy going.
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  6. #206
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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriRamona View Post
    And I don't know why posters should as yourself feel that this argument is sufficient enough to end this discussion. Obviously if content is trivial you can do whatever the hell you want.

    The point of this thread is how to maximize your abilities and the effectiveness of the party to make even challenging content more and more trivial. And one of the tools of this is healers' damage abilities.
    I'm sorry, but if you think that discussion is happening in this read, perhaps you should learn to read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Linnie View Post
    To the OP.
    You are the laziest healer I have ever seen and your holding your parties back.

    1. If you are a healer and you are standing around your wrong.
    2. If you are a healer and you are DPSing in an instance you are wrong.

    What you should be doing is growing a pair and telling your tank to pull more, telling your DPS to AoE more, and you as a healer should be Healing more.

    Healing is not hard people. If you pull more you will get through instances far faster than what you would stopping at every pull to DPS.

    The only instances that would require you to dps is if you literally cannot pull more and the healing is easy going.
    Have you seen people do WP? Healers should still be trying to do DPS even when the Tank has 6-10 mobs on him.
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    Last edited by Garnatian; 11-01-2013 at 04:11 PM.


  7. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnatian View Post
    Have you seen people do WP? Healers should still be trying to do DPS even when the Tank has 6-10 mobs on him.
    I literally just tell the tank to pull more, and maybe get the slasher so we can dance around with that.

    I always have plenty to do. But I do DPS as my Scholar, just not really on my WHM unless it's like, Holy on the bugs.
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    There is no combination of pulls in WP where you have only 6 mobs (usually 2 groups would be 6 for some exceptions like the lantern tonberries which are just groups of 2).

    Unless you are referring to once DPS have downed multiple enemies in the already giant cluster***. In which case the last line I said "The only instances that would require you to dps is if you literally cannot pull more and the healing is easy going."

    Also I guess I should mention I'm coming from a perspective that IF you are obviously doing runs which you are way out geared for.

    That's kind of the thing about healing in general, there is no rotation to healing its all based on every encounter, so nothing is set in stone, lag, playerskill, gear, parties gear, skill and latency ect all play a part in how much a group can handle.

    If "IF" was a fifth we'd all be drunk.
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    Last edited by Linnie; 11-01-2013 at 05:42 PM.

  9. #209
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisstina View Post
    Those kids always looking for excuse to blame others, and u have just given what they needed..
    And you gave bad healers the excuse to dps instead of healing in dungeons (which happens a lot already), even though your post is valid.
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  10. #210
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linnie View Post
    To the OP.
    You are the laziest healer I have ever seen and your holding your parties back.

    1. If you are a healer and you are standing around your wrong.
    2. If you are a healer and you are DPSing in an instance you are wrong.

    What you should be doing is growing a pair and telling your tank to pull more, telling your DPS to AoE more, and you as a healer should be Healing more.

    Healing is not hard people. If you pull more you will get through instances far faster than what you would stopping at every pull to DPS.

    The only instances that would require you to dps is if you literally cannot pull more and the healing is easy going.
    This amused me.

    Waiting for an actual argument.
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