Divine Seal generating hate/enmity on its own

[Kyomih]

Something I noticed for the first time yesterday in Coil is that if I activate Divine Seal during a pull (nothing else active, no regen, no target casting during the pull) it will generate instant aggro if the tank doesn't hit the boss first.

Tank pulled boss
I active Divine Seal without anything else active or active casting
Get instant aggro and die

That might or might not be the cause for other abilities of other classes too but that looks like a bug to me and is incredibly inconvenient.

Anyone else noticed this?

[SeraviEdalborez]

Typically bosses will "generate" a very small amount of hate on everyone shortly after pull. Since you are "on the list" a self-buff would generate enmity. This isn't altogether unusual.

Aside: This is a pretty major reason tanks should not pull a boss (or anything really, excepting some long range pulls when nobody else does it) with Provoke, as the "small amount" I mentioned earlier is more than Provoke's 1 point of enmity on raw pull.

[Kyomih]

Typically bosses will "generate" a very small amount of hate on everyone shortly after pull. Since you are "on the list" a self-buff would generate enmity. This isn't altogether unusual.

Aside: This is a pretty major reason tanks should not pull a boss (or anything really, excepting some long range pulls when nobody else does it) with Provoke, as the "small amount" I mentioned earlier is more than Provoke's 1 point of enmity on raw pull.

So weird. I don't think I had this issue (or mechanic) in any MMO I played and I played healer/support types since Ultima Online. Great to know though, thanks

[Estellios]

Yeah most bosses do this, it can potentially be an anti-griefing measure since if someone doesn't have enmity and they don't die to the boss you could potentially be stuck and unable to re-enter the boss arena or restart the instance. Mostly I can imagine that it is a way to avoid people messing with boss AI.

[Pikken]

But for this to happen you would have to be on the boss aggro list I assume? Did you have the boss in your list, the one with green/red icons etc? If you do, any buff will generate aggro. But from my experience, casting a buff on yourself before you are on that list should not create aggro.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I can only imagine Divine Seal pulling hate like that if the tank body pulled without targeting the boss and/or missed their opening attack(s), accuracy or button-wise.

But Divine Seal should not generate more hate than a successful Shield Lob or a Tomahawk.

[Eclair_Xysha]

Why are you using that when they're pulling in the first place? Is everyone's hp that low? I never use DS in the beginning before. Just when stuff is going to hit the bloody fan or the tanks hp is just draining away in fights.

Even during fights I never pull or have agro points build up.

[Kyomih]

Why are you using that when they're pulling in the first place? Is everyone's hp that low? I never use DS in the beginning before. Just when stuff is going to hit the bloody fan or the tanks hp is just draining away in fights.

Even during fights I never pull or have agro points build up.

Who cares why I activated it - fact is that I was not on the boss aggro list - the tank range pulled, I activated Divine Seal, didn't cast anything because I wanted to wait for the tank to build up aggro and he came straight for me. Using a non targeted passive self buff shouldn't cause any enmity at all imo. I never pulled aggro or saw aggro increase from Divine Seal during a fight either. Since the Buff/heal combo already automatically adds to the enmity I don't see why the initial activation would cause that.
Or if it means ANY kind of action during a pull would cause aggro to the player.

On top, like someone mentioned above, activating a buff shouldn't generate more hate then a direct hit by a tank to pull a mob.

I mentioned it here because to me it seemed like a bug or something that is linked to Shield Oath maybe.

In any other dungeon I never get onto the hate list until I cast something..you can clearly see that by the hate list being generated when that happens. Yet for some reason Divine Seal acted like a normal heal or targeted cast.

[Darkkos]

Why are you using that when they're pulling in the first place? Is everyone's hp that low? I never use DS in the beginning before. Just when stuff is going to hit the bloody fan or the tanks hp is just draining away in fights.

Even during fights I never pull or have agro points build up.

In easy boss fight (Like WP) I always do DS + Regen at the beginning, it's more than enough to kept the tank healed and I can focus on DPS a bit, by the time he's hurt, DS is active once more. I never had trouble with Hate tho..

[Kyomih]

In easy boss fight (Like WP) I always do DS + Regen at the beginning, it's more than enough to kept the tank healed and I can focus on DPS a bit, by the time he's hurt, DS is active once more. I never had trouble with Hate tho..

See that is my point. I do that in all the dungeons too, on trash and on bosses and never had issue with aggro either.
The incident happened with the end Boss in Coil Turn 1 btw. On the initial pull, not the split.