We cannot tolerate this...

[Azyria]

One thing I wonder...

Is all the epic gear and experience REALLY needed, or are some players just impatient and want to get it done quick? It's especially mind-numbing when the game was barely out and the very first wave of 50's was asking for experienced people who "know all the fights".

On the other hand, when I use the DF I often end up with some derps who not only don't seem to know what they're doing (which is okay) but they don't respond in any way when I attempt to communicate (which is NOT okay!)

I can see the correlation between the two ends of that spectrum, really...

I guess the bottom line is...

- Teach to those willing to learn.
- Be willing to learn.
- Respect the choices of those highly geared and experienced folks who wish to group with their peers.
- Ask politely and be prepared for a No if you want to run with the pros.

And lol at the internet fight pic. I wonder which one of those guy is the tank, the dps and the healer?

[Shizato]

Is all the epic gear and experience REALLY needed

Nope, just personal preferences of some players who form groups in shout.

You can form your own groups in shout with your own personal preferences, too.

[Mihlo]

Nope, just personal preferences of some players who form groups in shout.

You can form your own groups in shout with your own personal preferences, too.

While it is certainly your perogative if you create your own group and I have nothing against that. It starts to become an issue when everyone is doing it.

As an example I remember the tail end of WoTLK, after you got the best gear you could from dungeon runs, all that was left was to go in Icecrown Citadel and farm frost tokens for Tier 10, the best set at the time.

Every group in /shout for ICC had requirements that went along the lines of "must have achievement, must have gearscore <5500".

This effectively put new players in a catch 22 of needing the better gear, but not being able to run ICC because they need the achievements, to get the achievements they need to run ICC, which requires better gear, which requires running ICC, which requires the achievements....

[Shizato]

This effectively put new players in a catch 22

new players can play with each other while old players play with each other - this is not a crime

it even happens in real life - old farts go play bridge and shuffle with each other while young whipper snappers go dancing at the clubs with each other

there is no catch 22