Market Wards, enough is enough

[Cairdeas]

Players want an Auction House.

Here is a very simple fact that people keep misunderstanding.

Players do not WANT an auction house. They want the Time and Convenience one gives through illusions.

If you ask a player if they want forced Blind or Timed Bidding they 99.9% of the time will most likely say no. They don't. They want to see the item, see the price, and buy it without haggling. Thats not an Auction House, Its an NPC vendor for Player Made Items. The only thing the Market Ward needs then are those same Conveniences. When someone like me says "I do NOT want an auction house." it isn't because I do not want the time and Conveniences it gives. Or that I want some system that takes forever and a day to buy something. Its because I DO NOT WANT TIMED OR BLIND BIDDING WHICH ARE THE ONLY FEATURES 100% EXCLUSIVE TO AN AUCTION HOUSE.

[Coldbrand]

Bleh, I don't want a boring old AH again. I love feeling like I got a deal, or panicking to rush to a retainer who has something so cheap that I worry others might be hunting for it too. Just make it less tight and flesh out the zone into what feels like a real area, and not a fire hazard looking little death trap.

[Gracious]

Here is a very simple fact that people keep misunderstanding.

Players do not WANT an auction house. They want the Time and Convenience one gives through illusions.

If you ask a player if they want forced Blind or Timed Bidding they 99.9% of the time will most likely say no. They don't. They want to see the item, see the price, and buy it without haggling. Thats not an Auction House, Its an NPC vendor for Player Made Items. The only thing the Market Ward needs then are those same Conveniences. When someone like me says "I do NOT want an auction house." it isn't because I do not want the time and Conveniences it gives. Or that I want some system that takes forever and a day to buy something. Its because I DO NOT WANT TIMED OR BLIND BIDDING WHICH ARE THE ONLY FEATURES 100% EXCLUSIVE TO AN AUCTION HOUSE.

So when 26% of the players voted they wanted an Auction House they lied? It was only 2nd to content.

[Amineri]

Here is a very simple fact that people keep misunderstanding.

Players do not WANT an auction house. They want the Time and Convenience one gives through illusions.

If you ask a player if they want forced Blind or Timed Bidding they 99.9% of the time will most likely say no. They don't. They want to see the item, see the price, and buy it without haggling. Thats not an Auction House, Its an NPC vendor for Player Made Items. The only thing the Market Ward needs then are those same Conveniences. When someone like me says "I do NOT want an auction house." it isn't because I do not want the time and Conveniences it gives. Or that I want some system that takes forever and a day to buy something. Its because I DO NOT WANT TIMED OR BLIND BIDDING WHICH ARE THE ONLY FEATURES 100% EXCLUSIVE TO AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Cairdeas, I think that there is room for an ACTUAL auction house with bidding. Certain high-end items could be marketted through a bidding system, keeping the market wards for the task of selling the bulk commodity goods. But yes, auction house should mean AUCTIONS.

[Elexia]

So when 26% of the players voted they wanted an Auction House they lied? It was only 2nd to content.

Players wanted a better game, and unless people are admitting they figure an AH would have instantly fixed all problems, it wouldn't lead to a better game, much like the rep stated that even if they went with an AH system it wouldn't instantly solve all problems.

Know what else a lot of people voted for? Battle system and Socialization (Japanese) as the #1, which is actually the foundation of this game.

[Amineri]

So when 26% of the players voted they wanted an Auction House they lied? It was only 2nd to content.

This is a question of semantics. An auction house in the real world is a place where people go to bid on rare and unusual items. Ebay isn't really an auction house anymore (although there is some bidding), because most people use the 'buy it now' option.

I think a lot of people voted for an auction house because
(a) the term is used in a lot of other MMOs for a convenient market system interface
(b) people wanted a market system better than the market wards at the time

We should all simply stop using ambiguous terms like "auction house", I think. The phrase is loaded, and means different things to different people.

Gracious, what specifically are you wanting to see? Beyond the catch-phrase "auction house".

[Cairdeas]

So when 26% of the players voted they wanted an Auction House they lied? It was only 2nd to content.

Do you want Timed or Blind Bidding?

If not then you yourself do not want an auction house. You want the benefits that one gives you through illusion. None of the benefits of an auction house are exclusive to the auction house itself. Only Bidding on items in a Blind or Time Delayed System.

The Only reason the WoW AH is called an AH is because it has timed bidding. If it was just a "post the final price and sell" type system they would have probably called it a Player Market or something. Which is exactly what SE did, SE just hasn't finished adding those same illusionary conveniences.

And if you did want Blind and Timed Bidding, your an idiot who wants RMT's to own the marketplace.

Cairdeas, I think that there is room for an ACTUAL auction house with bidding. Certain high-end items could be marketted through a bidding system, keeping the market wards for the task of selling the bulk commodity goods. But yes, auction house should mean AUCTIONS.

I agree. But if there is the items that are sold to it need to have a special designation so you can't sell chaff and brittle on it. IE. Something like what I designed in my Gob Shop idea where you can sell Unique/Untradable items to the "Auction House" then they are recycled turned into new items and exchanged out to people buying them in "Gamble Bags" A bag that when you open it you get a random item from the inventory of the system. This prevents RMT's from being able to corner the market on special items and if you use an Endgame token system to use it then you can limit the amount of RMT influence on it over all.

[Mack]

Here is a very simple fact that people keep misunderstanding.

Players do not WANT an auction house. They want the Time and Convenience one gives through illusions.

If you ask a player if they want forced Blind or Timed Bidding they 99.9% of the time will most likely say no. They don't. They want to see the item, see the price, and buy it without haggling. Thats not an Auction House, Its an NPC vendor for Player Made Items. The only thing the Market Ward needs then are those same Conveniences. When someone like me says "I do NOT want an auction house." it isn't because I do not want the time and Conveniences it gives. Or that I want some system that takes forever and a day to buy something. Its because I DO NOT WANT TIMED OR BLIND BIDDING WHICH ARE THE ONLY FEATURES 100% EXCLUSIVE TO AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Forget AH, make it a Market Ward that runs on a vendor and doesn't crash every day and that can comply with any addition to retainers. The wards suck because they have a capacity for one, they crash all the time and even if they do stabilize them they will need to work around their capacity issue. In a game with this low a population, on the most populated servers, the wards are packed to the brim - meaning when they add more and more players to the game and more and more retainers, they will need to expand the wards by either lengthening each one individually or adding more wards. IMO I do enough running around in this game to warrant that, so no thank you, the wards simply suck, they offer nothing new and they are an inconvenience over an AH. However, I get it, you don't want an AH, you don't want blind bidding, that's pretty much everyone's excuse against an AH...fair enough, make the wards act like an AH, you run up to a counter or several counters and look up an item, see the price u like best and purchase the item. But of of course people will still nag because of "immersion"...@#$% immersion, there is nothing immersible about them. Majority of people voted in favor of an AH only second to content or battle system and rightly so because content and battle system are lacking much more than the market system but it doesn't mean its not important. Nothing is good about the wards, they have no advantage, and the only reason SE wants to keep them around is to charge you for extra retainers in the future - they even have something planned for them that has to do with ranking up your retainer which will probably add benefits like extra inventory space or extra bazaar space...all things that can be done without a Market Ward. They have no merits whatsoever, they don't look good, they don't do anything fancy, and they will only get worse.

And if you did want Blind and Timed Bidding, your an idiot who wants RMT's to own the marketplace.

And this is by far the dumbest excuse ever. RMTs can already own the marketplace by monopolizing, hell I even have enough gil because of the lack of any gil sinks in this game to monopolize a part of the market. Its not difficult, you just need money and RMTs know how to make enough of it. The MW would've only solved RMTs or alleviated them a little had they kept it with no search system, which is how it was intended to be. Stupid system is stupid and always will be.

[Gracious]

Players wanted a better game, and unless people are admitting they figure an AH would have instantly fixed all problems, it wouldn't lead to a better game, much like the rep stated that even if they went with an AH system it wouldn't instantly solve all problems.

Know what else a lot of people voted for? Battle system and Socialization (Japanese) as the #1, which is actually the foundation of this game.

(1) When the poll was done the Market Wards were in effect 26% voted they didn't want it.
(2) Most of "naive" players thought they were working on an Auction House and have been patiently waiting on it to be introduced.
(3) I am referring to NA players and I am also naive to assume that most players posting are from English as a primary language country.

[TheVedis]

(1) When the poll was done the Market Wards were in effect 26% voted they didn't want it.
(2) Most of "naive" players thought they were working on an Auction House and have been patiently waiting on it to be introduced.
(3) I am referring to NA players and I am also naive to assume that most players posting are from English as a primary language country.

3) these are the NA forums...so of course we speak english!
geeze did you really just make a point out of that