Until Summer 2011.....

[Starlord]

They made a mistake. Moving on.
These are the plans until fall.

Over half of those are just "examination of" or "revisions to" which from Naoki hyperbole usually translate to "nothing" and "tweaks" so I'm expecting this whole list to produce very small things actually.

Both of you keep this in mind in what the Dev/Yoshida said:

By: Kamalon

"Hello everyone!

To clarify the tasks listed by Yoshida in this letter are expected to be implemented before the end of summer 2011!"

Keywords: Implemented/End of Summer 2011
Expected= Almost or all of that will be implemented ( Almost being in conjunction with the word Expected)

[Evangela]

Grande Compania d'Eorzea

[Shai]

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Yes that was clarified much more nicely in the 4 posts before yours but thx for adding your two cents in. Was starting to wonder how come i didn't get a troll in this thread yet.

No, the two posts before me said the Reps explained the intent and the French used different words.

I'm saying it's written accurately (although poor choice of words still).

I am trolling for Peregrine and I found him. ^^
They did not make a mistake.

The understanding of the word "until" is flawed if you think it is a mistake.

[Shai]

They made a mistake. Moving on.
These are the plans until fall.

No they aren't because they don't include any plans he intends to implement in fall.

You are wrong, sir. ^^

[Dizmo]

Still waiting for an AH/the engine/server lag to be sorted out.

[darkstarpoet1]

No they aren't because they don't include any plans he intends to implement in fall.

You are wrong, sir. ^^

ok i am going to work today. i will not get off work until 8 pm. does that mean since i get off at 8 the entire hour counts? no it mean 8:00 my shift ends.

go down the road until you get to the stop sign. does that mean you pass the stop sign and then stop in the intersection.? no it means stop there and do not go any farther.

it was just poorly translated since he meant different than what we got. it was not in fact accurate, but flawed translation. it is not going to translate properly from one language to another and, that, i do not mind. just do not try to use flawed arguments by saying something is correct when, in fact, it was incorrect.

[Onidemon]

Just a thought....

SE needs to get 14 extremely playable by september.

Last year when the game came out it got awful reviews and was bashed and bashed by gamers and critics.
So when the game has been out for a year and the reviews come up again, they really need to get good ones to populate the game and make it strive even more. Which is obtainable.

unless they dont care.

Talking about that, i remember SE asking the reviewers to not review the game until a month after release. We are now 8 months after release and still nothing has changed from the release version.... so what was SE thinking when they asked that? What did they expect to be that drastically different after the first month?

[Onidemon]

ok i am going to work today. i will not get off work until 8 pm. does that mean since i get off at 8 the entire hour counts? no it mean 8:00 my shift ends.

go down the road until you get to the stop sign. does that mean you pass the stop sign and then stop in the intersection.? no it means stop there and do not go any farther.

it was just poorly translated since he meant different than what we got. it was not in fact accurate, but flawed translation. it is not going to translate properly from one language to another and, that, i do not mind. just do not try to use flawed arguments by saying something is correct when, in fact, it was incorrect.

That's the way i understood it. So Shai is a troll after all.

[Shai]

ok i am going to work today. i will not get off work until 8 pm. does that mean since i get off at 8 the entire hour counts? no it mean 8:00 my shift ends.

go down the road until you get to the stop sign. does that mean you pass the stop sign and then stop in the intersection.? no it means stop there and do not go any farther.

it was just poorly translated since he meant different than what we got. it was not in fact accurate, but flawed translation. it is not going to translate properly from one language to another and, that, i do not mind. just do not try to use flawed arguments by saying something is correct when, in fact, it was incorrect.

It means at 8:00 exactly you are working, but stop, and then go home.

"until" is a continuous action that includes the time specified. It doesn't mean you stopped working at 7:59.

This is the textbook meaning of "until." If you specific an exact INSTANT (like "until now") it means at that instant is when the change occurs, so if I say "until summer" it means at some point during summer the plan will be complete, or change, but not before summer.

If you say, "Hey, Shai, you're really uptight. Let's just get a beer and forget about it."
and I say, "Dood, I'm going to be doing this sh-t until Saturday."

Do you think I stopped Friday?
or do you think "Well I can ask him again on Saturday, when he is stopping, but he may not have stopped yet."

That's the way i understood it. So Shai is a troll after all.

Being wrong does not make one a troll.
(and I'm not wrong).

[Shai]

go down the road until you get to the stop sign. does that mean you pass the stop sign and then stop in the intersection.? no it means stop there and do not go any farther.

"until" can only be used with a time phrase, so "go until the end of the road" really means "go until the time you reach the end" but using your use of the word until I will post another phrase.

"I read the book up until page 45."
Am I saying I stopped at the last word on Page 44?
...or am I saying somewhere on Page 45 (summer) I stopped, possibly the end of it?

Answer is that I was reading the book until I hit page 45 and then something changed.
(Continuous action to the moment of change).

Simply making 1 instance examples doesn't change that at the beginning of the instance you were still doing it. The longer the period of time following "until" the more unclear it is when the moment of change actually occurs, but it does (in Yoshida's sentence) include "summer."

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I'm trying to teach you guys something, not troll.
I know how confusing that can be in a world where everyone likes to be right.