Until Summer 2011.....

[Shai]

They made a mistake. Moving on.
These are the plans until fall.

No they aren't because they don't include any plans he intends to implement in fall.

You are wrong, sir. ^^

[darkstarpoet1]

No they aren't because they don't include any plans he intends to implement in fall.

You are wrong, sir. ^^

ok i am going to work today. i will not get off work until 8 pm. does that mean since i get off at 8 the entire hour counts? no it mean 8:00 my shift ends.

go down the road until you get to the stop sign. does that mean you pass the stop sign and then stop in the intersection.? no it means stop there and do not go any farther.

it was just poorly translated since he meant different than what we got. it was not in fact accurate, but flawed translation. it is not going to translate properly from one language to another and, that, i do not mind. just do not try to use flawed arguments by saying something is correct when, in fact, it was incorrect.

[Onidemon]

ok i am going to work today. i will not get off work until 8 pm. does that mean since i get off at 8 the entire hour counts? no it mean 8:00 my shift ends.

go down the road until you get to the stop sign. does that mean you pass the stop sign and then stop in the intersection.? no it means stop there and do not go any farther.

it was just poorly translated since he meant different than what we got. it was not in fact accurate, but flawed translation. it is not going to translate properly from one language to another and, that, i do not mind. just do not try to use flawed arguments by saying something is correct when, in fact, it was incorrect.

That's the way i understood it. So Shai is a troll after all.

[Shai]

ok i am going to work today. i will not get off work until 8 pm. does that mean since i get off at 8 the entire hour counts? no it mean 8:00 my shift ends.

go down the road until you get to the stop sign. does that mean you pass the stop sign and then stop in the intersection.? no it means stop there and do not go any farther.

it was just poorly translated since he meant different than what we got. it was not in fact accurate, but flawed translation. it is not going to translate properly from one language to another and, that, i do not mind. just do not try to use flawed arguments by saying something is correct when, in fact, it was incorrect.

It means at 8:00 exactly you are working, but stop, and then go home.

"until" is a continuous action that includes the time specified. It doesn't mean you stopped working at 7:59.

This is the textbook meaning of "until." If you specific an exact INSTANT (like "until now") it means at that instant is when the change occurs, so if I say "until summer" it means at some point during summer the plan will be complete, or change, but not before summer.

If you say, "Hey, Shai, you're really uptight. Let's just get a beer and forget about it."
and I say, "Dood, I'm going to be doing this sh-t until Saturday."

Do you think I stopped Friday?
or do you think "Well I can ask him again on Saturday, when he is stopping, but he may not have stopped yet."

That's the way i understood it. So Shai is a troll after all.

Being wrong does not make one a troll.
(and I'm not wrong).

[Onidemon]

It means at 8:00 exactly you are working, but stop, and then go home.

"until" is a continuous action that includes the time specified. It doesn't mean you stopped working at 7:59.

This is the textbook meaning of "until." If you specific an exact INSTANT (like "until now") it means at that instant is when the change occurs, so if I say "until summer" it means at some point during summer the plan will be complete, or change, but not before summer.

If you say, "Hey, Shai, you're really uptight. Let's just get a beer and forget about it."
and I say, "Dood, I'm going to be doing this sh-t until Saturday."

Do you think I stopped Friday?
or do you think "Well I can ask him again on Saturday, when he is stopping, but he may not have stopped yet."



Being wrong does not make one a troll.
(and I'm not wrong).

You are right being wrong does not make you a troll.

Sentences like these do.

You are using the wrong definition of "until" simply to suit your purpose.

It should have been more like "you misunderstood what he meant by until". I'm sure you already knew that but you chosed to deform it to suit your purpose of being a troll.

[Shai]

You are right being wrong does not make you a troll.

Sentences like these do.

It should have been more like "you misunderstood what he meant by until". I'm sure you already knew that but you chosed to deform it to suit your purpose of being a troll.

Why did you choose to list only 1 definition of many?
Why did you choose to list one that clearly implies a negative statement?
Why didn't you use this definition?

1.
up to the time that or when

Answer: It didn't suit your purpose?

[Onidemon]

Why did you choose to list only 1 definition of many?
Why did you choose to list one that clearly implies a negative statement?
Why didn't you use this definition?

1.
up to the time that or when

Answer: It didn't suit your purpose?

I actually listed all the definitions from the source i got it from.

Link is below

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/until

[Shai]

I actually listed all the definitions from the source i got it from.

Link is below

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/until

Oh. Forgive me, dood. The spacing caused me to mis-read you.
I was wrong and I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to come at you full force.
I was arguing this with people yesterday who were insulting my intelligence over it.
When Peregrine comes back we can expect more of that.

[Onidemon]

Why did you choose to list only 1 definition of many?
Why did you choose to list one that clearly implies a negative statement?
Why didn't you use this definition?

1.
up to the time that or when

Answer: It didn't suit your purpose?

1.
up to the time that or when

Up to the time that or when.... Like someone said if i say until 8PM. Up to the time that it's 8PM.... it means until is at 8PM and not 8:39 or 9PM right?

If i say i will be working out until 8PM... finishing at 8:59PM would not fit what i said because that's more like 9PM am i right? If i told you that i will be waiting for you at the train station until 8PM, you will no expect me to be there at 8:59PM right? Then why do you expect that until summer means until september 20 11:59PM?

[TheVedis]

Up to the time that or when.... Like someone said if i say until 8PM. Up to the time that it's 8PM.... it means until is at 8PM and not 8:39 or 9PM right?

If i say i will be working out until 8PM... finishing at 8:59PM would not fit what i said because that's more like 9PM am i right? If i told you that i will be waiting for you at the train station until 8PM, you will no expect me to be there at 8:59PM right? Then why do you expect that until summer means until september 20 11:59PM?

again

8PM is a specific time
8:01 isnt 8PM

the last day of summer and the first day of summer both are "summer" though