Until Summer 2011.....

[Onidemon]

In Letter X from Yoshi-P he stated the following:

"This time around, the list contains additions planned for up until summer 2011. You see what I did there with the bold font for emphasis? But anywho, without further ado, feast your eyes on the list in its entirety! (Remember, these are our plans until summer 2011!)"

Now let's see what this means.

Until by definition means...

"
–conjunction 1. up to the time that or when; till: He read until his guests arrived.

2. before (usually used in negative constructions): They did not come until the meeting was half over.


–preposition 3. onward to or till (a specified time or occurrence): She worked until 6 p.m.

4. before (usually used in negative constructions): He did not go until night.

5. Scot. and North England . to; unto."

June 21st marks the summer solstice and as we all know, patch 1.18 is coming mid-June. Does this mean we will be seeing this entire list come true in patch 1.18? He does says that the list contains "ADDITIONS" planned for up until 2011. By additions, could it mean that only the "NEW" items will make it to patch 1.18? It would make more sense since Jump is on the list also and was set to lower priority making it not very likely to appear as part of 1.18.

If Yoshi-P is using the word "UNTIL" appropriately then this is what patch 1.18 is made of.

• Opening tutorial adjustments
• Grand Companies quests
• Seasonal events
• Job quests
• Implementation of initial camera position retention
• Display targeting cursor above character
• Introduction of pop-up help
• Configuration menu improvements
• UI revisions based on battle system reform
• Management window for achievements
• Materia crafting system (name tentative)
• Reward and balance adjustments for behest
• Equipment attribute revisions
• Synthesis recipe revisions
• Repair system improvements
• Crowd control system revisions
• Reexamination of Return cost
• Reexamination of surplus values
• Abolition of physical levels
• Physical bonus revisions
• Reexamination of requirements for setting actions
• Job system mechanics and Establishment of job specifics
• Creation of job assets
• Addition of frontier hubs
• Strengthening of beast tribes
• Environment collision detection, Initial adjustments stable, moving towards ongoing
• adjustments
• Ongoing addition of notorious monsters

• Ifrit battle
• Mount system
• Achievements
• Rank 30 and 50 Dungeons.

This should be the minimum we will see in patch 1.18 as per what Yoshi-P. More items will probably be added too.

Am i wrong to read it this way?

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Bayohne clarified this.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...417#post147417

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

In Letter X from Yoshi-P he stated the following:

"This time around, the list contains additions planned for up until summer 2011. You see what I did there with the bold font for emphasis? But anywho, without further ado, feast your eyes on the list in its entirety! (Remember, these are our plans until summer 2011!)"

Now let's see what this means.

Until by definition means...

"
–conjunction 1. up to the time that or when; till: He read until his guests arrived.

2. before (usually used in negative constructions): They did not come until the meeting was half over.


–preposition 3. onward to or till (a specified time or occurrence): She worked until 6 p.m.

4. before (usually used in negative constructions): He did not go until night.

5. Scot. and North England . to; unto."

June 21st marks the summer solstice and as we all know, patch 1.18 is coming mid-June. Does this mean we will be seeing this entire list come true in patch 1.18? He does says that the list contains "ADDITIONS" planned for up until 2011. By additions, could it mean that only the "NEW" items will make it to patch 1.18? It would make more sense since Jump is on the list also and was set to lower priority making it not very likely to appear as part of 1.18.

If Yoshi-P is using the word "UNTIL" appropriately then this is what patch 1.18 is made of.

• Opening tutorial adjustments
• Grand Companies quests
• Seasonal events
• Job quests
• Implementation of initial camera position retention
• Display targeting cursor above character
• Introduction of pop-up help
• Configuration menu improvements
• UI revisions based on battle system reform
• Management window for achievements
• Materia crafting system (name tentative)
• Reward and balance adjustments for behest
• Equipment attribute revisions
• Synthesis recipe revisions
• Repair system improvements
• Crowd control system revisions
• Reexamination of Return cost
• Reexamination of surplus values
• Abolition of physical levels
• Physical bonus revisions
• Reexamination of requirements for setting actions
• Job system mechanics and Establishment of job specifics
• Creation of job assets
• Addition of frontier hubs
• Strengthening of beast tribes
• Environment collision detection, Initial adjustments stable, moving towards ongoing
• adjustments
• Ongoing addition of notorious monsters

• Ifrit battle
• Mount system
• Achievements
• Rank 30 and 50 Dungeons.

This should be the minimum we will see in patch 1.18 as per what Yoshi-P. More items will probably be added too.

Am i wrong to read it this way?

Yes you are. Besides the fact that we have a Dev posting stating flat out that everything in the letter is planned to be implemented by summer's END, you're also using an ENGLISH definition to define what was said originally in JAPANESE. Regardless of what the translation says, the nuances of the Japanese language are far different from our own.

But thanks for the English lesson.

[Scherwiz]

The French community reps posted today that the wording was a mistake.

Roughly translated by google:

By: Kamalon

"Hello everyone!

To clarify the tasks listed by Yoshida in this letter are expected to be implemented before the end of summer 2011!"

[Onidemon]

Ah ok... normally it would have meant BEFORE summer but by the END of summer makes more sense. Oh well then i guess we have 3-4 more months to wait. It doesn't sound as exciting when you put it over 4 months.

If we add the time we first saw that list to the 4 more months we got to wait we are getting the amount of content WOW players see in a regular monthly or so patch but we waited the time it normally takes to come out with an expansion.... it's depressing...

Guess i'll be looking forward to winter 2011. I guess the game will be in good shape by then or early spring 2012.

[Shai]

Oh good, I was looking for a place to prove myself.

"until" and "up until" include the time in question.

If I say, "I am going to work on my essay until Saturday," this means I am going to be working on the essay from now until some point on Saturday at which point I'll either stop or the scenario will change.

If I say "I'm showing you my plans until summer," this means I am showing you my plans from now into the summer, as in "before autumn starts this plan will change."

You are using the wrong definition of "until" simply to suit your purpose. The sentences in question aren't even in the negative. If he said "I'm not going to show you my plan until summer" it would mean he's not going to show you his plan before summer, but it also doesn't mean he's going to show you midnight of June 21, 2011. It means AT SOME TIME IN THE GDMN SUMMER.

[Onidemon]

Oh good, I was looking for a place to prove myself.

"until" and "up until" include the time in question.

If I say, "I am going to work on my essay until Saturday," this means I am going to be working on the essay from now until some point on Saturday at which point I'll either stop or the scenario will change.

If I say "I'm showing you my plans until summer," this means I am showing you my plans from now into the summer, as in "before autumn starts this plan will change."

You are using the wrong definition of "until" simply to suit your purpose. The sentences in question aren't even in the negative. If he said "I'm not going to show you my plan until summer" it would mean he's not going to show you his plan before summer, but it also doesn't mean he's going to show you midnight of June 21, 2011. It means AT SOME TIME IN THE GDMN SUMMER.

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Yes that was clarified much more nicely in the 4 posts before yours but thx for adding your two cents in. Was starting to wonder how come i didn't get a troll in this thread yet.

[Seif]

Over half of those are just "examination of" or "revisions to" which from Naoki hyperbole usually translate to "nothing" and "tweaks" so I'm expecting this whole list to produce very small things actually.

[Peregrine]

They made a mistake. Moving on.
These are the plans until fall.

[Shyd]

Just a thought....

SE needs to get 14 extremely playable by september.

Last year when the game came out it got awful reviews and was bashed and bashed by gamers and critics.
So when the game has been out for a year and the reviews come up again, they really need to get good ones to populate the game and make it strive even more. Which is obtainable.

unless they dont care.