Order of the Blue Garter Twintania Down (No Exploits)

[Onolock]

Bosses sitting there doing nothing under certain circumstances is not new to SE and thier MMOs. This is ONE example, there are about 60 different bosses you can do the same or similar things to (Or if not stun completely for an extended duration - Disable certain abilties or spells)

"If a player willfully continues to battle an immobilized monster, the player will be in violation of the user agreement. The game logs of violators will be investigated, and those who are found to be in violation may be subject to punishment, such as a character data rollback or account termination."

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...f3bbf3f197a43d Straight from SE's.

Laryndra, you obviously didn't see my above post of how I don't care whatever personal attacks you throw cause they mean nothing to me.

1) I'm not mad
2) I don't care that I didn't kill her first
3) This isn't FFXI, so comparing thing to that is just plain dumb. Twintania clearly has mechanics to deal with in this phase; ignoring them by breaking her script and resetting it everytime is not stunning her for an extended duration. She literally is flying there because her script is not able to execute as her last target is unable to be targeted. Just stop posting things please that have nothing to do with the issue at hand.
4) No players were banned for sleeping conflags for 2 weeks, so again you are spouting statements you have no source to back it up with.

1 - Twintania is not made permanently immobile which is what was happening with the bossses in the quote you so selectively pulled up. Also in the very same breath that post says that players which do this will be rolled back. The rollbacks happened to the log outters. Not the sleepers.
2 - You are mad. You're trying to devalue someone else's achievement in the hopes the community is going to accept your point of view so that when you achieve it finally you feel better about yourself.
3 - This is not WoW, This is not (insert MMO here). Stop being selective about which MMOs you want to draw parallels too, especially when they aren't made by the same people.
4 - She is not literally just flying there. She has placed a field of immobility that renders 1-3 characters useless during that time, and if that field isn't destroyed in time all of those players die, surely causing a wipe since the main tank (in this video) is in it.
5 - Many players have stated that this phase is easy, with or without sending the MT in this was NOT what was stopping most people from progressing on this fight.

1) I said nothing about permanent immobility, nor does that quote. That quote is general and in no way applies to any particular boss.

2) Nope, not mad at all

3) I never compared this game to WoW, only penalties taken against exploiting offenders. Otherwise, same WoW excuse most other people try and use.

4) She is flying there. The field is only made for one person obviously, deciding to run the fireball in there is obviously and notably intended to avoid that damage. So, the field at most is only meant for one person, the choice for more people to run in is based on the raid. To be able to avoid every single mechanic(any kind of healing on the tank/tanking in general) in that phase with the tank running in, is obviously not intended.

5) Again I don't care how easy any phase is or how good any guild is, and yes it was stopping people from progressing. People were using the rez bug/running conflags into the outer wall/sleeping conflags to progress past phase 2 to get the add phase and twister phase and not killing conflags(ignoring mechanics to bypass the phase).


Edit: Done wasting responses on players that are obvious trolls.
Edit: Immobilized means exactly what Gamemako said, boss AI is bugged. That's what SE said about immobilization.

[Req]

Man, this thread has turned into a huge shitstorm hasn't it? Reminds me of a certain other boss fight from December 2011 where everyone got their panties in a wad over who killed the fight first the "legit" way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QRKQWD0jOc

Regardless of whether or not think it is "legit" it is the way her AI was purposely programmed. They made it so that she could not attack anyone in the conflags, and people in them would not take damage simply because she would end up one shotting you if she decided that she wanted to target someone that was inside the conflags at the time with a fireball. It would basically be an instant death that is unstoppable.

[Sylvanna]

"If a player willfully continues to battle an immobilized monster, the player will be in violation of the user agreement. The game logs of violators will be investigated, and those who are found to be in violation may be subject to punishment, such as a character data rollback or account termination."

Okay let me nitpick too!

[Laryndra]

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1 - Twintania is not made permanently immobile which is what was happening with the bossses in the quote you so selectively pulled up. Also in the very same breath that post says that players which do this will be rolled back. The rollbacks happened to the log outters. Not the sleepers.
2 - You are mad. You're trying to devalue someone else's achievement in the hopes the community is going to accept your point of view so that when you achieve it finally you feel better about yourself.
3 - This is not WoW, This is not (insert MMO here). Stop being selective about which MMOs you want to draw parallels too, especially when they aren't made by the same people.
4 - She is not literally just flying there. She has placed a field of immobility that renders 1-3 characters useless during that time, and if that field isn't destroyed in time all of those players die, surely causing a wipe since the main tank (in this video) is in it.
5 - Many players have stated that this phase is easy, with or without sending the MT in this was NOT what was stopping most people from progressing on this fight.

You can keep arguing all day about it, it doesn't make the kill any less legit, and the fact that its been so publicized and no action has been taken against them hints at SE's stance.

[Sylvanna]

4 - She is not literally just flying there. She has placed a field of immobility that renders 1-3 characters useless during that time, and if that field isn't destroyed in time all of those players die, surely causing a wipe since the main tank (in this video) is in it.

Someone's mentioned this before. Thank you for bringing this up again. teehee.

[Gamemako]

Okay let me nitpick too!

That is how they described the original Twintania bug as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...5-%28Oct.-8%29

[Sylvanna]

That is how they described the original Twintania bug as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...5-%28Oct.-8%29

Ya, that was for the exploit where Twintania does nothing until she died. Not for the "Twintania continues to cast Conflags and fireballs" debate here!

[Gamemako]

Ya, that was for the exploit where Twintania does nothing until she died.

I don't think you understand what I mean. "Immobilized" means "had AI bugged out". This is how SE describes these effects.

//EDIT: Onolock, please stop responding to the troll.

[Laryndra]

I don't think you understand what I mean. "Immobilized" means "had AI bugged out". This is how SE describes these effects.

The AI hasn't bugged out. Twintania uses the same AI as every creature in the game does and she attacks the character of highest threat.

[Avalon_Albrook]