Order of the Blue Garter Twintania Down (No Exploits)

[Laryndra]

Bosses sitting there doing nothing under certain circumstances is not new to SE and thier MMOs. This is ONE example, there are about 60 different bosses you can do the same or similar things to (Or if not stun completely for an extended duration - Disable certain abilties or spells)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...ZyIoejO7I#t=76

[Onolock]

Bosses sitting there doing nothing under certain circumstances is not new to SE and thier MMOs. This is ONE example, there are about 60 different bosses you can do the same or similar things to (Or if not stun completely for an extended duration - Disable certain abilties or spells)

"If a player willfully continues to battle an immobilized monster, the player will be in violation of the user agreement. The game logs of violators will be investigated, and those who are found to be in violation may be subject to punishment, such as a character data rollback or account termination."

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...f3bbf3f197a43d Straight from SE's.

Laryndra, you obviously didn't see my above post of how I don't care whatever personal attacks you throw cause they mean nothing to me.

1) I'm not mad
2) I don't care that I didn't kill her first
3) This isn't FFXI, so comparing thing to that is just plain dumb. Twintania clearly has mechanics to deal with in this phase; ignoring them by breaking her script and resetting it everytime is not stunning her for an extended duration. She literally is flying there because her script is not able to execute as her last target is unable to be targeted. Just stop posting things please that have nothing to do with the issue at hand.
4) No players were banned for sleeping conflags for 2 weeks, so again you are spouting statements you have no source to back it up with.

1 - Twintania is not made permanently immobile which is what was happening with the bossses in the quote you so selectively pulled up. Also in the very same breath that post says that players which do this will be rolled back. The rollbacks happened to the log outters. Not the sleepers.
2 - You are mad. You're trying to devalue someone else's achievement in the hopes the community is going to accept your point of view so that when you achieve it finally you feel better about yourself.
3 - This is not WoW, This is not (insert MMO here). Stop being selective about which MMOs you want to draw parallels too, especially when they aren't made by the same people.
4 - She is not literally just flying there. She has placed a field of immobility that renders 1-3 characters useless during that time, and if that field isn't destroyed in time all of those players die, surely causing a wipe since the main tank (in this video) is in it.
5 - Many players have stated that this phase is easy, with or without sending the MT in this was NOT what was stopping most people from progressing on this fight.

1) I said nothing about permanent immobility, nor does that quote. That quote is general and in no way applies to any particular boss.

2) Nope, not mad at all

3) I never compared this game to WoW, only penalties taken against exploiting offenders. Otherwise, same WoW excuse most other people try and use.

4) She is flying there. The field is only made for one person obviously, deciding to run the fireball in there is obviously and notably intended to avoid that damage. So, the field at most is only meant for one person, the choice for more people to run in is based on the raid. To be able to avoid every single mechanic(any kind of healing on the tank/tanking in general) in that phase with the tank running in, is obviously not intended.

5) Again I don't care how easy any phase is or how good any guild is, and yes it was stopping people from progressing. People were using the rez bug/running conflags into the outer wall/sleeping conflags to progress past phase 2 to get the add phase and twister phase and not killing conflags(ignoring mechanics to bypass the phase).


Edit: Done wasting responses on players that are obvious trolls.
Edit: Immobilized means exactly what Gamemako said, boss AI is bugged. That's what SE said about immobilization.

[Sylvanna]

"If a player willfully continues to battle an immobilized monster, the player will be in violation of the user agreement. The game logs of violators will be investigated, and those who are found to be in violation may be subject to punishment, such as a character data rollback or account termination."

Okay let me nitpick too!

[Gamemako]

Okay let me nitpick too!

That is how they described the original Twintania bug as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...5-%28Oct.-8%29

[Sylvanna]

That is how they described the original Twintania bug as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...5-%28Oct.-8%29

Ya, that was for the exploit where Twintania does nothing until she died. Not for the "Twintania continues to cast Conflags and fireballs" debate here!

[Laryndra]

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1 - Twintania is not made permanently immobile which is what was happening with the bossses in the quote you so selectively pulled up. Also in the very same breath that post says that players which do this will be rolled back. The rollbacks happened to the log outters. Not the sleepers.
2 - You are mad. You're trying to devalue someone else's achievement in the hopes the community is going to accept your point of view so that when you achieve it finally you feel better about yourself.
3 - This is not WoW, This is not (insert MMO here). Stop being selective about which MMOs you want to draw parallels too, especially when they aren't made by the same people.
4 - She is not literally just flying there. She has placed a field of immobility that renders 1-3 characters useless during that time, and if that field isn't destroyed in time all of those players die, surely causing a wipe since the main tank (in this video) is in it.
5 - Many players have stated that this phase is easy, with or without sending the MT in this was NOT what was stopping most people from progressing on this fight.

You can keep arguing all day about it, it doesn't make the kill any less legit, and the fact that its been so publicized and no action has been taken against them hints at SE's stance.

[Sylvanna]

4 - She is not literally just flying there. She has placed a field of immobility that renders 1-3 characters useless during that time, and if that field isn't destroyed in time all of those players die, surely causing a wipe since the main tank (in this video) is in it.

Someone's mentioned this before. Thank you for bringing this up again. teehee.

[Laryndra]

Edit: Done wasting responses on players that are obvious trolls and someone that hasn't even Cleared Turn 4 or seen Twintania at all.
Edit: Immobilized means exactly what Gamemako said, boss AI is bugged. That's what SE said about immobilization.

Disagreeing with you = Trolling? lol..
Also, My drg is wearing a helm and ring from Turn 4. Not sure if that was directed at me but I'd hope not since I cleared T1-4 on the first week i started raiding, and have been since. Lol
Also - AI is acting as it does in every other instance in the game. It attacks players with the highest threat. It's still using conflag and fireball and it is NOT just sitting there. Using a bosses mechanic against itself is not an exploit.